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Dunkirk school board approves admin raises

January 11, 2013

Approving contracts and reviewing the budget were on the agenda at the Dunkirk Board of Education meeting Thursday....

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Annie40

Jan-11-13 4:48 AM

Why is it that everyone else in the school system takes a pay cut or freeze but administration gets a pay raise, go figure!! Lets cut some more classes and teachers to pay these raises. We are not talking nickles and dimes here, lets say a few thousand per administrator!!

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rosebud

Jan-11-13 4:51 AM

I can not understand this "percentage" for a raise. Problem is the guy making the least will never catch up, the same with Social Security. 2% of 500 bucks is a lot less than 2% of 2000 bucks.

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Christopher

Jan-11-13 5:56 AM

Has any member of the school board been made aware of the recent impending layoffs of more than a hundred tax payers? Amazing

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bob1957

Jan-11-13 6:34 AM

If people commenting here and in the clubs were aware that as throughout the state City School Districts pay SIGNIFICANTLY less than other PROFESSIONALS in other school districts. With the advent of APPR and the changes with Common Core many schools districts across the state are hiring administrators to oversee these changes or help relieve exisitng administrators to concentrate on these new requirements. But since we have so many educational experts here in Dunkirk, they know best.

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DKexpat

Jan-11-13 8:11 AM

This is circular reasoning: "We guarantee annual raises for teachers while enrollment declines, so we of course deserve a raise as well!"

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wiseup

Jan-11-13 8:54 AM

Everyone else are taking cuts, but with dropping enrollment, failing graduation rates, little school security and they give themselves raises. They should put raises to a vote of the citizens-not a rubber stamped school board. Good pay for part time work where studnets are allowed to sleep in class!

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commentor

Jan-11-13 9:01 AM

No problem it's on the taxpayer. How many plant closings? How many losing their jobs? How many are taxpayers that will not be able to pay their taxes? But let's stick it to em!!!

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rumblefish

Jan-11-13 9:02 AM

another straw for the camel back,its this type of thinking that has the country trillions of dollars in debt 40 mill to run a school system in a wilting tax base and the board adds to the load,oh that's just terrific

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LitlDaddy1951@yahoo.com

Jan-11-13 9:28 AM

Let me see if I understand this..with cuts made we save money, so that makes it okay to give yourselves a pay raise right? I think to be honest, you need to say no thank you to that raise, and make sure someone who has no job gets a second chance..or maybe its time to get some new "professionals" to run our school system.

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PhilJulian

Jan-11-13 9:38 AM

It's hard to justify any pay raises in a community that is dying a slow death. Mr. Cerne and Mr. Thiel have done a good job of holding the line on tax rates but the truth is that spending has gone up dramatically in our district. The district currently spends $40.2 million on education. That's an average of $19,144 per student and I don't believe it can be justified. The administration has done a good job holding the line on tax rates. The truth is that we should have only one superintendent and one finance manager for the entire county and if that day ever comes, I would nominate Mr. Cerne and Mr. Thiel for those positions. This is just not a good time to announce pay raises. Too many people are suffering and the city is on the decline.

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localresident

Jan-11-13 9:40 AM

"It's for the kids!"

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hadenough

Jan-11-13 9:48 AM

Looks like the city and the school system is not in as bad a shape as reported. But then again neither is America when obama gives raises to congress the V P and who knows who else. So can one really believe what is reported on Tv and the papers? Not when it comes to money.

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wastelanddweller

Jan-11-13 9:49 AM

No, the city and school system are in terrible shape, hadenough... they just don't care.

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Captain

Jan-11-13 10:04 AM

We don't need ED experts to know that DK has a high pct of old & poor residents. Apparently the latest job losses that help us pay school taxes is irrelevant to bob1957 & the BOE.

bob1957 believes our local school system is a great value, and wants to "educate" us ignorant, beer-drinking folks? This is just another example of how certain people try to justify taxpayer-funded pay raises w/o specifying how to pay for them.

I guess ignorant folks like us don't understand bob's msg, so we'll just keep moving away, never realizing just how cheap DK school taxes really are, according to people like bob1957 & the BOE.

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teacherteacher

Jan-11-13 10:25 AM

You have to remember they are hard working union members. LOL

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Dcronlg

Jan-11-13 10:55 AM

Hmmm...lets see...if you guys actually checked the budget, ou would have determined that we're talking about a $100K salary per admin head, so, a 2.8% raise is $2,800 per year. 56% of that amount ($1,600) is paid by the state (and not all by you guys, since this county is only 7/10ths of 1% of NY's population).

So, the all the taxpayers of Dunkirk, Towns of Dunkirk & Sheridan are directly on the hook for $3,600/yr in raises, which amounts to $0.21/taxpayer -- that's twenty-one cents per year per taxpayer.

You guys are in a lather because of twenty-one cents a year???

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DKexpat

Jan-11-13 10:58 AM

To Phil’s point:

My consolidated school system – 70,000 students – has one superintendent of schools (and three asst. supers for curriculum, personnel and facilities). That’s a savings of over $3 million per year – every year – over what Chau Cty taxpayers spend for all their supers...for 70% fewer students.

My county-wide school board crafts a budget – but must take it to the legislature every year for approval and funding. If the legislature says “too much, would increase taxes,” it’s kicked back – as has happened the past 3 years.

We’re a growing, affluent area, yet froze county wages for two years (including teachers and administrators) to keep taxes flat. When I contrast that fiscal thinking with what happens in school districts in Chautauqua County, I just shake my head.

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DKexpat

Jan-11-13 11:01 AM

P.S. Our district and schools are recognized nationally for excellence...yet the spend/pupil for 2013 is $11,595/yr.

That's part of what consolidation achieves...

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DarkStar

Jan-11-13 11:12 AM

Dcronlg,

Is there a single tax or government spending program you don't approve of?

Also your breakdown is meaningless, just as the ones always posted about the County Home costs are because it's not X amount, it's X amount in addition to all the other taxes.

Looking at my total tax bill, before all the federal taxes, state income tax, school and property taxes completely disgusts me, and of course that doesn't even factor in all the taxes and fees added on to gas bills, phone bills, etc...

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wiseup

Jan-11-13 11:58 AM

Hey Dcrong where do you think the State gets it's money from?? Us Taxes. Nothing is free . By saying the county, stste or Fed will pay the bills. No, it's our taxes!!!!!

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Dcronlg

Jan-11-13 1:50 PM

Darkstar - there are plenty of govt programs of which I don't approve and I believe are thoroughly meaningless. I also dont believe in our income tax system; its wrong to penalize oncome frm savings, investments, etc (we should have a national sales tax seeing that our economy is consumption based.

My point and my arithmetic are clear, linear and straightforward: whereas the principle of raises is outrageous, in truth and in reality, the actual cost is meaningless and as such, per student -- what it actually costs -- makes US public education a terrific deal. If we 're not happy with the metrics of performance, then blame the parents -- after all, they are ultimately responsible for their kids.

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Captain

Jan-11-13 2:22 PM

Dcron suports these admin raises by concluding: "...US public education is a terrific deal. If we're not happy with the metrics of performance, then blame the parents, after all, they are ultimately responsible..."

...and he accuses others of being clueless??? HAH!

Sorry, but after reading ANY of his posts, all I can think of is: "what an obnoxious blowhard."

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PhilJulian

Jan-11-13 2:40 PM

For those who don't understand why Dunkirk is near death, read the comments of DKexpat in this column. If you still don't understand - read the comments again! Excessive spending, taxes and fees are killing the city and the county - AMEN!!!!

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Dcronlg

Jan-11-13 3:50 PM

Wiseup: the facts and data are clear and straightforward -- whether you like it or not. If you're a Dunkirk resident, you don't pay for 55.3% of the Dunkirk public school budget. The rest of NYS state does, all 19 million or so residents, and businesses.

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Greg1965

Jan-11-13 3:52 PM

I don't know how these people can sit there and give them selves Raises like that when pretty much the whole county is going down the crapper. Kinda reminds me of Nero playing his violin while Rome burns.

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