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Goodell, Young feel sweeping gun law rushed in anger

By ERIC TICHY

January 18, 2013

State Assemblyman Andy Goodell isn’t pleased with Tuesday’s gun-control bill signed into law by Gov. Andrew Cuomo....

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localresident

Jan-20-13 10:31 PM

Phil, it's perfectly ok to kill those kids! No worries at all! You don't even need an excuse like rape to get one! Has the left not taught you anything? (and no i don't buy Akin's rape comment b.s.).

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PhilJulian

Jan-20-13 12:18 PM

I share the grief for 20 children senselessly killed at Newtown. However, I have to wonder, where is the grief for over one million kids killed each year through abortions? Maybe we should be placing restrictions on abortion doctors instead of guns!

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localresident

Jan-19-13 10:52 PM

And this:

www . twitchy . com/2012/12/11/youre-going-to-die-painfully-gov-snyder-faces-threats-death-wishes-over-mich-right-to-work-bills/

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localresident

Jan-19-13 10:44 PM

Stang, don't be silly! Those are kids of conservatives. Of course it's OK to dog them! And then there's this:

www . examiner . com/article/children-of-afp-michigan-deputy-director-target-of-mailed-death-wish

Those silly unions! always kidding around...except when they threaten your kids' lives. Such a peaceful people they be!

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stangv8

Jan-19-13 8:04 PM

Judeye, Obama's used them in adds and continually references them when trying to sway voters. He brought them into the picture. He referenced them when he talked about gun control.

Also, did you have outrage Sarah Palin's children were attacked in the 2008 campaign? Were you outraged when liberal talk show hosts made sexual comments concerning her underage daughter? How about when some were criticizing her for having her youngest child who was born with Downs Syndrome? I don't remember reading of any of that outrage here because I know the subject came up in 2008.

If children are off limits, why did he have them on the stage with him? Let's not be hypocritical here.

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localresident

Jan-19-13 1:34 PM

Phil, you should know by now, abortionsa re perfectly ok, but it is off-the-hook unethical to put to death people who've proven not only to be of no positive value to society, but also an incredibly dangerous threat to it.

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localresident

Jan-19-13 1:31 PM

SAFE Act = Strip Arms From Everyone.

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localresident

Jan-19-13 1:28 PM

The way this bill was rushed through into law is a textbook example of government forcing its hand on the populace, and not letting the bill stand on its own to get passewd after the very people affected by it have had a chance to review and voice their thoughts. The word "unconstitutional" comes to mind very easliy. How anybody thinks this is any sort of due diligence on Cuomo's part is anybody's guess. I hope that lawyer in Hamburg is actually able to do something:

"Jim Tresmond said the coalition of attorneys is targeting how the just-passed SAFE Act violates the Fifth Amendment, which protects against abuse of government authority in a legal procedure." - today's Buffalo News.

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PhilJulian

Jan-19-13 1:22 PM

JUDEYE - kcw007 has it right. FBI statistics for the year 2009 (the last year reported) indicate 611 killed with blunt objects, 348 with rifles and 418 with shotguns. The picture changes dramatically when hand guns enter into the equation. For a true picture you will have to consider thousands of lives taken with abortions and medical malpractice.

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kcw007

Jan-19-13 10:19 AM

Jefferson's admonishment that interpretations of Consitution should only be made in consideration of the meanings most lkely intended at the time the document was drafted, is somewhat analogous to the use of Latin for scientific purposes. Latin is used because it is a "dead language"; thus meanings no longer evolve. Jefferson of course understood that principle, and that was no doubt part of his reasoning as to what the standard should be regarding constitutional interpretations.

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kcw007

Jan-19-13 9:33 AM

You're correct Judeye, Common, ordinary shotguns, exactly like the one's used by your own family members, kill far more people than do blunt instruments, or for that matter rifles of all types, including so called "assault weapons".

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kcw007

Jan-19-13 9:18 AM

OK, then just do a search for: meaning of the pharse "well regulated" That'll get you to the page referenced @ 9:10am

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kcw007

Jan-19-13 9:10 AM

For examples of how the term "well regulated" was commonly use in the era of the nation's founding, & for some time afterward, see: ****constitution****/cons/wellregu.htm The issue is that of attempting to apply the currently common definition for derivatives of the word "regulation" (now most often having to do with some sort of government "regulations") to meanings which were common or standard two centuries ago. This would be a prime example of what Jefferson warned about in his plea that interpretations of the text of the Constitution should be based only upon the most likely meaning/intent at the time the document was drawn.

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judeye

Jan-19-13 8:55 AM

kcw007..note it has NOT been well explained by the courts who in our country make the defining ruling on our law and interpretation of our Constitution.

FBI Uniform Crime Report 2011 In percentages....Murders..by weapons 67.7% firearms; 13.4% knives or other cutting instruments; 13.1% unknown or other; 5.8% personal weapons (such as fists, choking)

Do not see hammers or any other blunt instrument used more than a firearm to kill.

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judeye

Jan-19-13 8:37 AM

"In the 2000s, federal courts continue to revisit the scope and detail of the Second Amendment right to bear arms. In particular federal courts have recast much of the debate as one over whether the Second Amendment protects a "collective" right or an "individual" right to bear arms. If the Second Amendment protects only a collective right, then only states would have the power to bring a legal action to enforce it and only for the purpose of maintaining a "well-regulated militia." If the Second Amendment protects only an individual right to bear arms, then only individuals could bring suit to challenge gun-control laws that curb their liberty to buy, sell, own, or possess firearms and other guns.

Not surprisingly, courts are conflicted over how to resolve this debate."

No wonder we might have differing views. the reference...Free Legal Dictionary...

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judeye

Jan-19-13 8:09 AM

localresident...I might agree with you on Cuomo..the real reason why he pushed this bill through. Yet I still agree with the bill...just maybe not the way it was pushed through/.

As for providing a reference...sorry I missed your request. Ask me to show a reference for anything I state as FACT rather than my opinion. I will gladly do it.

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judeye

Jan-19-13 8:05 AM

stangv8...I will paraphrase Gov Christie...who if you have not heard...went off on the NRA for this ad referring to the President's children.

The children did not ask to be public figures. They had NO choice when their parent chose to be a public figure. Yet too often they are the targets of insults, jokes, and yes at times threats. Given that of course we must provide them with security.

Our children are not in the same risk category as those children of public figures. Especially someone as public as the President of the USA.

I highly suggest you Google Gov Christie and watch the video where he blasts the NRA on this issue.

I agree. Children are off limits. NRA went low...very low with this ad. Might be a sign that they are scared. Scared that the gun owners...rather than gun manufacturers be represented. 92% of the Am public want national background checks. This includes the majority of the NRA membership.

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bulldog10

Jan-19-13 7:57 AM

kcw007, to your point about hammers. Its clear this law doesn't go far enough. Hand guns need to taken off the street too, because they are the ones mostly involved in killing.

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judeye

Jan-19-13 7:56 AM

stangv8...I have read the definition of a militia ..and I appreciate you posting it. It does not address the issue of "well regulated".

All I am asking is what this means? Not sure there is one definition, I just was hoping to hear what people thought this meant.

Sorry some misunderstood that I was not presenting something..other than a question.

In the definition it fails to define the terms well regulated...or for that matter "free state" in the amendment.

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kcw007

Jan-19-13 12:49 AM

Check the FBI Unified Crime Reports for any year in the past decade. In 2009 there were 348 people murdered by rifles of ALL types. Meanwhile 611 were killed with blunt objects (ie. hammers) In the same year 1,825 people were stabbed to death and another 801 were killed by so called "personal weapons" (ie. feet, fists, hands)

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kcw007

Jan-19-13 12:09 AM

Judeye likes to throw out that "well regulated" stuff as a red herring. That, and the differance between the militia unorganized and an organized militia as been well explained, per her request, several times over. Moreover it has been suggested that she reference the 2008 SCOTUS ruling "District of Columbia v Heller" which is the defining ruling on the matter. "None are so blind as they who will not see".

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localresident

Jan-19-13 12:08 AM

Phil, you are under no obligation to name a source for your information. Judeye has not once provided one to me when asked. While I do question that statement about hammers, don't worry about showing a source. She doesn't.

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localresident

Jan-19-13 12:03 AM

Cuomo hurried so quickly to get this waste of paper put into law that he had to put a tweak in it AFTERWARD to allow police to carry more than 7 rounds in their guns. Moron. But I thought nobody needs more than 7? No, nothing to see here, folks. No police state in the making here..... *whistling*

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localresident

Jan-18-13 11:59 PM

"good grief...promote fear...make lots of money...

how low will some step just for their own greed? dont ask..it is very low these days...very low"

The irony in that statement the way you say it is otherworldly. Who might be planning a run for the white house in 2016, and who just *might* be ramming through state legislature a retarded piece of lawmaking just to grandstand and show how *great* he is? Andrew Cuomo whored out the dead people from the Newtown killings like a pimp In a South American whorehouse. You're just too blind to see it...and all too willing to hand over your weapons.

Judeye, if this law is so proper and appropriate, why did D-bag Part 2 not give ANYONE the common decency to read the g-----ned thing first before cramming it through? Cuomo is nothing more than a publicity-seeking, liberty-stealing, hypocritical (his security detail still has a full clip) jag off who you, for some reason, think is the best thing since sliced bread.

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stangv8

Jan-18-13 11:08 PM

Judeye, how is that exploiting children pointing out that the president and Washington elite have armed guards protecting their children but that same president laughs at the idea of having guards protect your children.

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