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City, police reach tentative contract deal

January 19, 2013

One down, two to go — hopefully. The city of Dunkirk and the union representing its police officers have reached a tentative agreement covering a four-year period from Jan. 1, 2012 to Dec. 31, 20....

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PhilJulian

Jan-19-13 9:09 AM

Longevity payments of $1050 per year. Is that any different than a pay raise? Flexible insurance payment of $900 per year. Is that any different than a wage increase? By my estimates the department payroll cost increase will exceed 10% over the life of the contract. Does that make sense in a city that is losing industry, losing population and clearly on it's death bed? Our leaders obviously don't have th guts to stand up to the unions. The only answer is to dissolve the city charter and become part of county government. We don't need eight different policing agencies in a county of only 133,000 residents. We should join Jamestown in their efforts to merge law enforcement with the sheriff's department. Ther appears to be no limit to the stupidity of city leaders.

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Steiner

Jan-19-13 9:12 AM

Since the public employee union is now God, as they are democratic, perhaps a clause demanding genuflection or a foot washing by public's hair would be in order.

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baseball

Jan-19-13 9:15 AM

Shut up phil, have you regressed to a baby, for all the crying that you do, why don't you run for office---wait didn't you do that and lose?

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baseball

Jan-19-13 9:41 AM

phil, isn't it true that you ran for office in City Government several times and LOST??????????? What 10th. time going to be the charm for you---Not. The union took 0,0,0 and 3% raise, not bad, considering that if they went to arbitration, they probably would have gotten 3,3,3,3% raises!!!!!!!!! Plus they will now be paying for part of their health insurance, seems to me the union took into account the City's finances and settled on a fair contract to everyone.

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Captain

Jan-19-13 9:57 AM

At face value, no pay raises for the first 3 yrs may appear to be a good deal for taxpayers, but the $1,050 longevity raise equates to an approx 2% pay raise per/yr for EACH of the last 3 yrs (on a $50K base salary).

Not sure how the $900 insurance flexibility spending is to be used, but if it's a disguised stipend that can be taken in cash instead of used toward insurance premiums, then the total amt now rises to approx 4% per/yr for EACH of the last 3 yrs.

Sorry, but IMO, nothing has changed. The DPD is essentially receiving the same standard monetary gains they've long enjoyed. Yes, the DPD must pay a higher pct toward their health insurance, but they certainly came out on top under this CBA.

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Captain

Jan-19-13 10:13 AM

In short, the DPD agreed to 0% for the 1st yr, but if the $900 "flex money" can be taken as cash, coupled w/the $1,050 longevity raise, they essentially gained approx 4% PER YR for EACH of the last 3 yrs. Add the 3% raise in the 4th yr, and it equates to a monetary gain of 15%, or 5% PER YR FOR EACH OF THE LAST 3 YRS.

...it all depends on how you want to spin it, baseball.

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CassadagaHiker

Jan-19-13 10:16 AM

Is this for real? I can't even imagine a deal like this at work. OMG. Dunkirk must have A LOT of money.

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Captain

Jan-19-13 10:20 AM

15% over 4 yrs avgs 3.75% per/yr...better than the 3% per/yr that baseball predicted an arbitrator would award.

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BrownEyedDevil

Jan-19-13 10:25 AM

Flex money is for medical reimbursement I believe and the longevity only goes to the members who have not reached full longevity not the entire DPD. Why shouldn't they contribute have you seen their salaries.

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baseball

Jan-19-13 10:41 AM

I think that the longevity raise was $250, the Observer messed up their reporting, They already get longevity and flex pay, so you really cant count that as a increase, since its been in place for awhile!

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baseball

Jan-19-13 10:43 AM

Longevity is usually awarded after 10 years of service!

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baseball

Jan-19-13 10:43 AM

Come on, have you ever known the observer to mess up on their reporting?

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Santora

Jan-19-13 10:50 AM

Well yes it it is true that Phil ran and lost baseball (I voted for him)BUT he ran what's your excuse except to always knock somebody's right to an opinion.....I always put up with yours!! There are many valid points put out by everyone especially this the $1,050 longevity after 2 years what a joke! They don't even get this in the school system until 15 years and I never got it until after 10 which is the norm for most people that get it. How grateful we are that they will "contribute" 5% towards medical insurance and will eventually go up to a whopping 10% at the last year. I, myself am not objecting so much to the salary raise itself as I am to the "perks." For the kind of money these guys already get, they can pay a lot more for insurance. The force should also be cut--we don't need that many either for a city this size. When ever there is a problem, sheriffs Dept & state police are there anyway. There should have been a requirement to live in the City...whi

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Santora

Jan-19-13 10:52 AM

[cont] which not many do

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baseball

Jan-19-13 10:55 AM

Sheriff and State Police-hahahahahaha, the Sheriff cane barely put cars on the road, the Troopers are handling all the calls that the Sheriff gets, besides writing tickets, ya think that they will station cars near Dunkirk just to be available to handle overflow calls there---not, plus they only have a limited number of cars on the road also, and have the rest of the County to cover!

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Santora

Jan-19-13 11:01 AM

@baseball I'm getting the impression that you yourself are a police officer since you have so much insight on the situation except opening up your eyes regarding major incidents...County and state police also on hand. how many times have you seen articles mentioning...'further assistance was given by the Sheriffs Dept and State police etc....

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baseball

Jan-19-13 11:01 AM

Yes santora, and we have put up with your opinions also! phil attempts to force his will on everyone! Would you be a cop for a low salary??? Put up with they have to! Teachers rape communities to the point of bankruptcy, look at their perks. You will find that teachers at top pay and perks blow away the cops at top pay and perks. Teachers also work less and have a lot more time off, entire summers for starters! Plus when it comes out you will probably find that the observer probably got some of the facts wrong!

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baseball

Jan-19-13 11:04 AM

Hey santora, in Dunkirk, have not seen that hardy at all, no I am not a cop, but I have a cousin that is and support him to the fullest. The State and County do not assist Dunkirk that much, at all nor even Fredonia for that matter.

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Santora

Jan-19-13 11:15 AM

---Would you be a cop for a low salary??? Put up with they have to!---Answer is empathic NO but at the same time my friend...they are more than well paid too...especially when compared to other communities and of this size

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PhilJulian

Jan-19-13 11:27 AM

Yes Baseball, I ran for office and lost. You would lose too if you ran on a platform opposing union mentality and supporting reductions in the size and cost of government. I dare to say that if I were elected you would have a growing and prosperous city today. As I have said all along, UNIONS CONTROL THE CITY OF eUNKIRK AND UNIONS ARE DESTROYING THE cITY OF DUNKIRK. Everyone knows this is the truth but there are only a handful of people willing to speak out. I not only tell the truth, I sign my real name to my postings. The truth is the city is dying due to a lack of leadership. Dunkirk has natural assets that other communities would die for. All that's missing is leadership.

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baseball

Jan-19-13 2:31 PM

Santora, wrong, most communities all make about the same, not a big difference, only BIG difference is the State Police, why dont you attack the State for the $ 100,000 plus salary that they make at top pay. Phil is there a reason why you have run so many times and lost, the people can see through what you have to say!

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commentor

Jan-19-13 4:05 PM

Ladies and gentlemen no need to have a stroke. Dunkirk won't exist in 2014. With the deals they are making with unions they will have gone down the drain. They make one dumb decision after another.

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Santora

Jan-19-13 4:44 PM

@commentator...we'll be here. Plenty of other places far bigger than us have gone bankrupt and still exist. Buffalo has had a control board which may come to that here if we don't get it together. ================ @baseball sorry your facts are wrong not every police make the same.In Dunkirk would you believe..you have Sgt Mazurek making $100,000 and Lt Polowy making $101,000....both are making more than the Chief who doesn't even get 6 figures.Several are in the 90s. Most if not all hit the 80 grand mark...poor things. I'm sure surrounding communities don't pay that good or if they do, it's probably a small force!

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KeepinItReal4U

Jan-19-13 6:10 PM

I just want to say that I agree with a majority of the remarks that Phil & Santora are posting here. They point out some very important details as did CAPTAIN!!! It has opened my eyes fully in this situation. Also "baseball" you seem to have something against Phil..You continuously bash him because he ran so many times & lost. SO WHAT!! IT'S BETTER TO HAVE TRIED & LOSE THAN TO HAVE NEVER TRIED AT ALL..WHAT'S YOUR EXCUSE FOR THE BASHING?? NEED ATTENTION YOURSELF?? WERE YOU MADE FUN OF IN SCHOOL? your berating another has to come from somewhere..

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baseball

Jan-19-13 6:26 PM

Thats not base pay Santora, thats Overtime, which the Dunkirk Police have been within the OT budget! The Dunkirk Fire Dept, now they have continued to go way over budget, yet you people don't complain about that. Dunkirk Fire actually took the city for a ride, but nobody caught it, every fireman has a 10K buy out clause at retirement, Overtime is a premium, any call thats not very minor requires overtime, seeing as how Dunkirk has almost no volunteers. The Fire budget always goes over, they made a big deal about losing 2 positions, yet before that 2 positions were added when a Chief and Captain were appointed, so they are still at where they originally were!, but DFD was praised for taking a ),0,0 raise, yet the PD did the same!

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