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‘Longevity pay’ sours new deal

January 22, 2013

A new deal between the police union and the city of Dunkirk features a little bit of give and take by both sides....

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DarkStar

Jan-22-13 7:39 AM

Appears to be smoke and mirros to me.

Basically they say "Look, no pay raises" but then give them $1k elsewhere.

Then they say "And they will pay a few hundred a year for insureance" but then give them $900 with their otherhand which will more then make up for the pittance they will pay toward their own insurance.

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dabegr

Jan-22-13 7:59 AM

DarkStar is right, this is a backdoor way to try to save face with the public. Council should be asking what is the total cost of the package, and there should be a savings to the City, that is a reduction in 2013 from 2012 in what it is costing for police protection in Dunkirk. Also, nothing reported on any changes that might have relieved the overtime situation by giving the City more flexability on scheduling.

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DKexpat

Jan-22-13 8:24 AM

This seems typical of unions these days - - the "old timers" take care of themselves - logevity pay - and put the bulk of the "savings" on new-hires. (This is especially true of auto unions.)

And I agree with the preceding comment - what's the total cost to the City over the term of the contract (including assumptions for O/T).

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commentor

Jan-22-13 8:36 AM

Amazing Dunkirk is going bankrupt and they are still being greedy. Like typical union they would rather have no job than be smart and reasonable.

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Steiner

Jan-22-13 8:39 AM

Yep, these public unions demand at least genuflection, furthered by obamas famous statement you did not build that. They believe the economy would stop without them.

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PhilJulian

Jan-22-13 9:12 AM

longevity pay is simply a sneaky way to disguise a pay raise. I think the taxpayers are smart enough to know when they are being hoodwinked by a bunch of spineless politicians who care only about he next election. As I have said many times in the past unions control the city of Dunkirk and unions are killing the City of Dunkirk. There is only one way that I know of to put them in their place. Dissolve the city charter, abolish city unions and become part of county government. We simply don't have leaders with the backbone to cntrol greedy unions.

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Dcronlg

Jan-22-13 9:13 AM

let me get this straight: folks who are instinctively willing to go into harm's way and take a bullet for you are going to receive a measly 90 cents more per hour -- the price of a candy bar -- and you guys, sheepishly being lead by the clueless OBSERVER board, are whining about it like a big bunch of loser babies???

Wow, what a pathetic bunch of shameless cowardly d-bags.

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Dcronlg

Jan-22-13 9:15 AM

I wouldn't blame them one bit if they didn't show up for your 911 call.

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dabegr

Jan-22-13 9:47 AM

Dcronig, that price of a candy bar is for every hour that they work, or over $2000 per year. That sounds a little too high when the average officer already makes twice what a person working at Carriage House or Cott makes, and some of them make over three times as much. When there are no more jobs paying $30000, who will be left to pay for all of those candy bars.

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DKexpat

Jan-22-13 10:26 AM

It’s a buyer’s market: So if you don’t like your union position of [fill in the blank] and associated wages and benefits of [fill in the blank] - - just quit and go somewhere else. Maybe see what it’s like in the private sector.

It seems the only “longevity” here is Dunkirk taxpayers paying more and more every year...

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Dcronlg

Jan-22-13 10:46 AM

Dabegr -- should a Carriage house employee follow your logic -- and heaven forbid, you follow your own -- then you guys should be flocking to the police academy, running to be first in line to take a bullet, or to respond to a break-in since the police money is sooooooo good.

Divide your $2000 figure by the number of taxpayers in Dunkirk and see just how miniscule the impact will be on a tax bill -- probably the same amount per taxpayer as the price of a single .357 round.

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DarkStar

Jan-22-13 11:56 AM

Dcronlg,

So I guess you would support raising the pay of US military members to start at $50k a year, afterall they risk their life far more then police, especially police in an area like Dunkirk.

While Dunkirk isn't crime free it's not exactly like the inner city in L.A. or Detroit.

Police in Dunkirk are more likely to become disabled falling off a chair in the station then they are from a bullet.

Finally I'm curious, once you get your way all all public employees in the county are making $250k salaries how are you going to get the money to pay those wages when all that's left in the county are public works and welfare recipients?

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rumblefish

Jan-22-13 2:30 PM

you can dress a pig in a tuxedo but you can't make him dance,the council should ask two important questions before approving the new contract,how much more is this going to cost and where is the money going to come from to support it,if the answers are not favorable to the tax payer,then reject,reject reject

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joeybanana

Jan-22-13 6:51 PM

no one is happy around here unless the other guy's life is crappier than theirs.

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Escapee

Jan-22-13 8:18 PM

If the police are going to get “longevity” pay, while the Dunkirk tax base is being destroyed; I see no reason the taxpayers shouldn’t get “longevity” tax rebates. We’ll say the rebate checks aren’t a reduction in taxes, they are a reward for continuing to pay taxes. An in the fourth year, we could permanently reduce the tax rates. If the Dunkirk elected officials are going to act irresponsibly by giving away resources they don’t have, let the taxpayers have some too.

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baseball

Jan-22-13 11:15 PM

Every Police, Sheriff and State police, and also--teachers, other school employees, highway workers,plus every other government agency and quite a few private corporations all get longevity pay, plus they all just about have flex plans! if they went to arbitration, the Union would probably get a higher flex plan, more longevity and a 3% pay raise each year! do the math, I think this is a decent deal.

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DarkStar

Jan-23-13 7:23 AM

baseball,

So you happy we aren't getting as screwed as we could be getting?

And some here still wonder why I oppose public workers unionizing.

Also since you mention other departments, does anyone else wonder why despite all the money Dunkirk spends on it's street department and plowing it's roads are consistantly in worse shape then any others in the area?

For a perfect example you only need to drive down route 5, in either direction and from one city line to the other it's horrible and then at the city line it suddenly is mostly clear.

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riley007

Jan-23-13 8:26 AM

Heavan forbid someones pay goes up in Chautauqua County. Here is an idea. If public employees do so well then get an education, take a civil service test, and see how wonderful it really is. Oh waite, most of you complaining probably arent capable or you would have done that already. Why else would one complain. Or maybe your the stingy bosses who make unions necessary. You never hear anyone complaing about the greedy business owners who are more concerned with their own bottom line. If it werent for unions noone would have benefits. Thats why greedy businessmen hate them.

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Marcia

Jan-23-13 9:11 AM

Many local companies give bonuses to their employees, some more than once a year. I agree with others, until you are willing to put your life on the line, you really have shouldn't be complaining. Remember, when after 9-11 when everyone loved "first responders?" Then the republicans and Koch brothers did a campaign to make it look like public employees tanked the economy instead of Wall Street. And you sheep believe them.

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DarkStar

Jan-23-13 10:18 AM

"You never hear anyone complaing about the greedy business owners who are more concerned with their own bottom line."

Oh please that's all you ever hear from the mainstream media and our government.

In fact wasn't that a major component of the whole "Occupy" gang?

"Heavan forbid someones pay goes up in Chautauqua County"

The point is the public employees, who already enjoy pay and benifits far greater then most taxpayers in the County still demand more and more without any regard to the tax base.

In a private company if a union extorts to high a level of wages and/or benifits from their company and it drives up the cost of the goods or services beyond reason the companies customers are able to buy from someone else.

With public unions that choice isn't available and the taxes are collected under threat of force.

Imagine how much more Carriage House could pay if it could force everyone to buy their product, no matter the cost.

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localresident

Jan-23-13 6:04 PM

Marcia, those companies giving bonuses are doing so because the employees hit certain targets as incentives, or because the company shares part of its profits with the workers. One way the police could achieve this, for example, is to give out more traffic tickets, generating more revenue for the city (if certain types of tickets are written), or magically to get everyone to fill the parking meters full of quarters each day.

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riley007

Jan-23-13 10:58 PM

Darkstar, your comparisons are so ignorant they are barely worth responding too. Does government exist to sell services to make a profit? That would be a no. Do people in the private sector voluntarily refuse pay raises to keep prices lower? Its no secret I am a government employee. I havent received a raise in several years due to all the freezes. Many of my coworkers havent either. When I left the private sector to work for the public sector, I took a pay DECREASE. Not complaining, just making a point. Most people I know went into government to help others, not to rob taxpayers. I will say this, I see a lot more government waste by non union government employees at the management level. The politicians prefer to blame waste on the unions instead of taking responsibility for the wasteful spending they are responsible for.

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localresident

Jan-25-13 11:51 PM

Have fun writing those tickets, riley. That'll keep you in your job.

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localresident

Jan-25-13 11:54 PM

Riley, your decrease in pay was YOUR fault, no one else's Quit projecting the blame.

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localresident

Jan-26-13 10:45 PM

Lol. Riley, it's those "stingy bosses" who ultimately keep the business afloat despite your best efforts to prevent it, thus keeping, ironically, your job intact. Had they been liberal with their money (as the saying goes, a fool and his are soon parted), the factory supplying your very way of life wouldn't exist past the 5-year life expectancy of any new business. You're welcome, in spite of your want to bite the hand feeding you.

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