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Keep it clean

City urges residents to shovel sidewalks

January 25, 2013

Snow removal from sidewalks is the responsibility of the property owner abutting the sidewalk....

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SMB123

Jan-26-13 9:49 AM

Shame on you Dunkirk....No sidewalk plowing, take away 24 weeks of recycle pickup, and when I asked for you to come and take care of a hanging branch that may hit cars and you can't do it. Where are the services we pay taxes for???

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concerned

Jan-25-13 7:17 PM

whynot is right what about workfare they could be used to shovel for the elderly and disabled ! Of course they won't be up until noon.

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rumblefish

Jan-25-13 5:38 PM

whynot 14048,I have consulted the magic 8 ball,the answer appears so...

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whynot14048

Jan-25-13 5:00 PM

Are those that can't afford a shovel the ones who are watching TV on a 12" black and white with rabbit ears for a antenna?

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whynot14048

Jan-25-13 2:25 PM

What about workfare?

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whynot14048

Jan-25-13 2:24 PM

You go to the police station for a disabled sticker for parking. Maybe you could go get one to hang at your residence to give immunity from a fine for not shoveling. I don't know what could be done for being shovel-less.

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StanleyCup

Jan-25-13 12:55 PM

I would say that very few cannot afford a shovel. Some people seem to find money for cigarettes, alcohol and lottery tickets. Is it "can't" afford it, or choose to spend money elsewhere? If you can't find a nice neighbor to help, offer to do something for them in exchange. (the old barter system).

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rumblefish

Jan-25-13 12:31 PM

while we are on this issue,did you here the one about a council person checking with the police chief about the legality of kids going door to door offering to shovel snow for pay,maybe there will be an investigation,and you can bet overtime will come into play if that happens

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whynot14048

Jan-25-13 11:15 AM

Right on Dan14048. I shoveled as a kid and had the plow fill it back in. It even started snowing again after I finished. But it got shoveled again as mad as I was. Sure there are disabled people. Could be 3/4 of the city with all the social programs available. There are also people who wouldn't know what a shovel was for if they were holding it in there hands.

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dan14048

Jan-25-13 9:14 AM

So to my understanding This clearing the sidewalks is the responsibility of a home Owner or Tanat, or lease person. And some of us can do the work our self’s. What about the disable? What about the person who just can not afford a shovel? Did you ever consider many of our residents have no cash for a shovel. Maybe have a sever problem and can’t do the work them self, and on top of that can’t afford to hire someone to do it for them. Then there is the person who just spent a few hours shoveling and the city ploy comes by and pushes snow back where this pore guy just shoveled. why doesn't the city work with people instead of against the people.

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rumblefish

Jan-25-13 9:05 AM

forgot to mention,all fire hydrants used to be dug out,check and see how many are now,you will be surprised at the what you find

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rumblefish

Jan-25-13 9:01 AM

whynot 14048,you hit the nail on the head,but remember for most its a all about me era,as for the council they are to busy patting themselves on the back to push for more service from city employees,but are blind to overtime scam

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DKexpat

Jan-25-13 8:19 AM

I delivered the Courier Express (remember that paper?) every morning. I recall that the city barn opened at 7a...the time by which I had to complete my route (except Sundays).

Maybe the City could prioritize the sidewalk plow - high-volume "walking routes" or maybe help out seniors too infirm to shovel, etc.

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225522

Jan-25-13 7:42 AM

Yep. Like SJMinTX as a kid in the 1950,s I remember the side walk plow out very early clearing the walks. So things change sometimes for the better,,sometimes not.

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whynot14048

Jan-25-13 7:13 AM

These generations of youth have many who walk in the street even in summer because they can't walk in a crowd. So some fines for walking in the streets during summer as well as snow shoveling fines in the winter applied and not just mentioned. Some will mention the wind, rain, snow and sleet for letter carriers. That applied to days past when mail was sorted in rail cars traveling 24-7. Letter carrying is a hazardous job all year not just winter. Resident tie there dogs out the front door you have the leads strung across the steps to trip on, etc.

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whynot14048

Jan-25-13 7:01 AM

Been carrying mail for 26 years. Compliance has averaged 10-20%. Director DPW should apply for Police chief of Dunkirk or Fredonia. They think cell phone compliance is high. Walking the city every day you see where such compliances are adhered to. Driveways are usually given all the attention. Occupants wouldn't want their vehicles to slip and fall. Sidewalks are mostly done by seniors who still have pride and ambition. Some plow drivers who do those driveways tend to deposit snow accross the sidewalk. A few of the 10-20% who shovel walks go as far as the public walk or straight to the street. Kudos to some residents who have snow blowers and take care of their neighbors walks. Poo-poo on those same neighbors who don't bother to finish their steps after most of the work is done for them. This news posting is undoubtedly the result of a certain council woman questioning O/T. Meaning there'll be less use of the mysterious sidewalk plow. When it is used, there's still street walking.

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shofuh

Jan-25-13 6:45 AM

Even when the City plowed the sidewalks, the homeowner/resident was still responsible for shoveling the sidewalk in front of their house.

Remember, if your sidewalk is not shoveled and someone gets hit by a car in the street in front of your house, you can be found responsible.

Be a good neighbor, don't be lazy and shovel your driveway.

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JenniferKohler

Jan-25-13 6:23 AM

I will say that Forestville may have its share of problems however we do still receive snow removal. Won't complain too much but most of us wish the sidewalks were cleared before the children went to school (i guess we could do that ourselves) but at least they are somewhat passable.

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joew

Jan-25-13 6:00 AM

Look at where your taxes go now as opposed to when you where a kid and hidden there you will find that plow.

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SJMinTX

Jan-25-13 5:33 AM

So, back when I was a kid, the city used to have plows that came and did the sidewalks. One of the benefits residents got for their tax dollars.

Now, some forty years later, you pay a lot more in taxes, get a lot less service and told about fines and potential jail time if you don't clean your sidewalks? No wonder Dunkirk is on it's way to being a ghost town!

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SJMinTX

Jan-25-13 5:33 AM

So, back when I was a kid, the city used to have plows that came and did the sidewalks. One of the benefits residents got for their tax dollars.

Now, some forty years later, you pay a lot more in taxes, get a lot less service and told about fines and potential jail time if you don't clean your sidewalks? No wonder Dunkirk is on it's way to being a ghost town!

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