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Guns change with the times

February 17, 2013

By MARJORY C. DIEHL Once upon a time in the 1770s a group of intelligent men decided to write a group of rules for a new country they would call The United States of America....

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MikeDavis

Feb-17-13 1:38 AM

"How can anyone cite the Constitution or personal freedom, as an excuse for inhuman, current behavior?" I'm sorry Marjory. Who is using the Constitution as an excuse for any inhuman behavior? That mentally unstable people gain possesion of a weapon, that several laws and statutes say they should not have, is not an "excuse". It's a crime, being perpetrated by a criminal. That would be an individual that doesn't care about the law nor the consequences of their actions. You say you have been in this country for 92 years. That would put you at about 20 years old at the outbreak of WWII. And a little older when Pearl Harbor happened. Now, without the 2nd amendment in place do you, who was there, think the Japanese would have been nearly as hesitant to attack mainland America if they didn't fear "a weapon behind every blade of grass?" And I have never had the opportunity to ask anyone but please. Could you tell me both your personal and the local thoughts on t

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MikeDavis

Feb-17-13 1:40 AM

(con't) thoughts on the Japanese internment camps?

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localresident

Feb-17-13 2:41 AM

What the author has completely overlooked and ignored is the fact that civilians back then routinely had far better / more powerful weapons than the government overseeing them. We get it. You're scared of a gun. Fine. Don't make your fear of guns force me to suffer for your inadequacies.

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Christopher

Feb-17-13 6:12 AM

Obfuscate: Guns to Japanese Internment Camps? LOL!

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rdnewt

Feb-17-13 7:13 AM

Mike has it right Marjory, nobody is equating the Constitution with personal behavior. The Constitution holds the government in check, and disallows it from making tyrannical decisions against the citizenry. It has nothing to do with personal behavior. That is why we have laws to discourage certain behaviors. We have laws in place to discourage violence, to discourage theft, to discourage drugs, and we have laws in place to limit the access to guns by people who should not have them. That is right, we have those laws in place. The problem is that some people choose not to follow the laws. When that happens, we must act to punish the perpetrators in a manner which is severe enough to fit the severity of the crime. That is where the problems lies. We have become a nation of wishy washy people who can't stomach the just and due punishment that needs to be in place to deter crime. Cont.

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rdnewt

Feb-17-13 7:25 AM

Cont-Instead, in an effort to make people, (such as yourself Marjory), feel better, they enact new laws that again only work on those who would not be committing these crimes in the first place.

The fact that "guns have changed" has absolutely nothing to do with the Constitution. The founding fathers wanted us to be able to both-assist the government in protecting the homeland (because the military may not be used here at home), and also to protect us from our own government should some tyrant work his way into power. People hate this comparison, so brace yourself-Hitler did not forcibly take over Germany in 1931. He was a smooth talker, who had grandiose ideas about the safety and security of the people. He talked about-hope and change. He called for national gun registration, but told everyone that it would not lead to confiscation, (guess what, it did). He talked about nationalizing healthcare. Do any of these things sound familiar? Wake up America!

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Steiner

Feb-17-13 8:05 AM

Analogies always elude christopher ! Weapons of mass destruction Marjory ? are you kidding ? hey marjory, abortions were not as prevalent back then as now. not so many back alleys i suppose. Marjory, you could not have got it more wrong. There are now 400 million guns in the country that we know of. Gun free zones just attract the wackos yet you say nothing of that. we should all be getting shot and we are not. marjory, it is the second amendment,right after the 1st, very important to all but liberals. More people die from medical mistakes , yet the focus is on guns. Those libs, a strange confused bunch they are.

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Christopher

Feb-17-13 8:12 AM

Obfuscate: Steiner

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Christopher

Feb-17-13 8:15 AM

Irony: Steiner calling anyone else "strange and confused".

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judeye

Feb-17-13 8:25 AM

MikeDavis...do you think that the American citizens who were of Japanese decent who were put into those camps should have taken up arms against our government? Do you think that would have prevented them from being forced to leave all of their possessions (many losing them forever, including their homes, stores, etc)and forced to live behind fences as if they were criminals?

My thoughts just on the camps...SHAMEFUL. It is an example of what can happen when fear overcomes logic.

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judeye

Feb-17-13 8:31 AM

We had been discussing background checks for gun sales. Some think they are already in place for all sales. That is not true. 40% of all sales, the purchaser does not undergo any background check at all.

"current federal law requires criminal background checks only for guns sold through licensed firearm dealers, which account for just 60% of all gun sales in the United States. A loophole in the law allows individuals not “engaged in the business” of selling firearms to sell guns without a license—and without processing any paperwork. That means that two out of every five guns sold in the United States change hands without a background check. " coalition to stop gun violence

Can we agree with background checks for ALL gun sales in our Country?

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Christopher

Feb-17-13 8:35 AM

Make it really simple, Judy. Register ALL weapons, and no sales can occurr without going through a dealer. There's a huge improvement. It won't happen though.

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joew

Feb-17-13 8:55 AM

Judeye-As a gun owner(several)and a member of the NRA I have no issues with background checks on all gun sales. I'm sure that even criminals will abide by that requirement right? Your comment "It is an example of what can happen when fear overcomes logic" is just exactly what Cuomo used to ram his stupid law down our throats. He played the fear factor of if it happened there it can happen here. The law does zilch to prevent that from happening in this state. I for one am sick and tired of having all this "feel good" crap shoved down my throat. And Marjory with all due respect-I'M*****PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN, Please pass that on to Michelle for me.

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stangv8

Feb-17-13 9:07 AM

Ms. Diehl, unless you wrote this letter to the Observer on parchment using a turkey feather dipped in an ink well, your argument is invalid

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Christopher

Feb-17-13 10:14 AM

"Ms. Diehl, unless you wrote this letter to the Observer on parchment using a turkey feather dipped in an ink well, your argument is invalid" Anyone posting this as an argument doesn't know the meaning of the word "invalid".

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Kristopher

Feb-17-13 10:16 AM

The second ammendment protects the people's right to defend themselves. As times change, the weapons used by people who would do you harm have changed. Do you, Ms. Diehl, honestly think that the average citizen does not have a right to be able to defend themselves against these evil people with a weapon that is, atleast, close to the one being used against them? I find it troubling that a person that has seen what you have seen in your lifetime would have the view that you do. You are old enough to know better.

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1Laona

Feb-17-13 10:20 AM

After reading your take on America I find it hard to believe you told anyone you were "Proud to be an American"While you were visiting other lands did you find a "better place"?

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Regelski

Feb-17-13 11:42 AM

These comments demonstrate how some people need to resort to fear, paranoia, and personal insults. We should, first of all, respect wisdom gained by age (not wise-cracks gained by lack of substance). The author was entirely correct: contrary to "originalist" doctrine, he words of the Constitution reflect its times. The originators had no conception of the complexity of modern life, and to rationalize their support for assault weapons is, in fact, a contradiction of "originalitist" ideology. The words must be understood as the framers understood them at the time, not as the NRA would selfishnly prefer. We don't need a "militia" in the sense that was mentioned at the time. Actually, I applaud hunters who use bow and arrows and period guns, as opposed to 'out-gunning' the opposition (deer) with assault rifles, musk, and the like. Hardly sporting. That's another argument. I applaud the author for her continued attention to social issues. tom.regelski@h

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MikeDavis

Feb-17-13 1:27 PM

Christopher, I wasn't trying to do anything but get an answer to a question I have had for a long time. What was the general sentiment of the populace about that event? Judeye I agree it was shameful, but still Americans stood by and watched as people they had known for years were tried in the court of public fear and their lives ruined with an act the government's knee jerk reaction to public prejudice.

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MikeDavis

Feb-17-13 1:29 PM

Judeye, you once again come up with a statement that perfectly fits this debate. "It is an example of what can happen when fear overcomes logic"

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MikeDavis

Feb-17-13 1:43 PM

Regelski..when did your opinion become fact? I didn't realize I was reading the words of some being that is incapable of putting their own fears and bias into what they are writing. So you know exactly what the founding fathers meant? Why do we need all those Constitutional lawyers? All the SCOTUS have to do is ask you and viola, any arguments or debates are over. And calling people names and disparaging them while saying they have to resort to such things to make their point? Brilliant.

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American

Feb-17-13 2:04 PM

"We don't need a "militia" in the sense that was mentioned at the time." By we do you mean the country where you live?

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1Laona

Feb-17-13 2:07 PM

Thank you Regulateski for channeling our forefathers thoughts.Pity you weren't there to advise them-we'd still be servants to the Crown.

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Christopher

Feb-17-13 3:09 PM

There is nothing in practice or words that even suggests that the government can't modify or codify each and every article of the Constitution. In fact, since our countries inception, that is exactly what's been done with each and every article of the Constitution. To suggest that one single amendment is totally inviolate and untouchable flies in the face of logic and past practice.

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judeye

Feb-17-13 4:07 PM

joew...GREAT!!

That is one of the proposals put forth by President Obama. He wants background checks for ALL gun sales.

See if we take it one step at a time, we find there is some common ground. Background checks for all seems to be one.

And NO I am not so naive to think that will stop all the sales. However, I do think it could have an impact on some sales, making it more difficult for those who should never own a gun to buy one.

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