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Village weighs future of police

February 17, 2013

By NICOLE GUGINO OBSERVER Assistant News Editor The police department has been the focus of many discussions in the village of Silver Creek recently....

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225522

Feb-17-13 6:41 AM

Tough spot. You need public safety even with the smaller population. Perhaps even more now.

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baseball

Feb-17-13 9:27 AM

They can contract with the sheriff for a dedicated car and save a lot of money and headache. The dept. now has a lot of problems starting with the chief and everyone quitting---that alone indicates that there is a huge problem.

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bronski

Feb-17-13 9:40 AM

It is time to move on. We do not need the police department especially since we can not afford them. Roche is a slap in the face to this village. He never should have been chief. It did a back slide with the help of some of the board members. Just because Anna Fredrickson believes we need them is not gospel. This is for the benefit of the many not the few. Why throw good money after bad just like another camera. The ones in place didn't help when the gazebo was vandalized. Contract with the Sheriffs and save the taxpayers some money. Glad to see Lindstrom not running again. He killed this village!

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PhilJulian

Feb-17-13 10:08 AM

Silver Creek should not be facing this issue alone. We have eight full time police departments in the county and several part time departments. About 300 employees total for a county of only 133,000 with a very low crime rate. The bottom line is that this structure is costly, not necessary and not affordable. We have to live within our means. It would be nice to have a cop on every corner but that is not a realistic option. I firmly believe that all law enforcement should be consolidated at the county level with satellite stations as necessary. I agree that Gerace is a big spender but he can be removed in the next election for sheriff. The time for consolidation is upon us.

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Escapee

Feb-17-13 10:47 AM

For years the police department has harassed drivers traveling to and through Silver Creek, in order to justify their existence by generating “incident reports” and court fines/fees. I know I avoid Silver Creek whenever it is not too inconvenient. Ask local businesses how that’s working out, and if they want even more of it. It seems getting rid of the entire police department would be worth it if all it did was get rid of Roche.

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Independent

Feb-17-13 10:56 AM

Let the sheriff/state police be the responders for Silver Creek. Get rid of Roche. With Petri's closing in April, the town will grow even smaller in numbers. I don't see the town of Sheridan with its own police department...and in reality, Silver Creek isn't much bigger than that, if at all.

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butchy58

Feb-17-13 11:36 AM

Nicole Gugino states that Tom Harmon is a critic of the police department.If an elected official is doing his or her job why is that individual being called out.All Harmon did was question the necessity of new vehicles when the last new vehicle was only being used by the chief.The chief lied to the board and said the vehicle was in use by all but that never happened.I would rather have a trustee question practices by the chief instead of just sitting there giving him everything he wants like Fredrickson did when she on the board.The village needs to hold its' employees accountable like Harnom did with Roche.Those 14000 calls can never be justified in a village the size of Silver Creek.

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baseball

Feb-17-13 12:00 PM

Phil, there are not 300 cops in this County, I already added them up for you, don't care what a study by Fred State said, when you look at the actual numbers for each Dept, they do not even come close!

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AWorkingSupervisor

Feb-17-13 12:23 PM

Nick, Tom and Amy said it all. It is time to look at the big picture, the Village must start looking at costs beyond the next year but several years down the road. In order to be sustainable for several years drastic changes must be made. The Village needs to follow some of the footsteps what the Town of Hanover did. I want to see the Sheriff and Police Chief present proposals with true budgets for services with long term goals pubicly where anyone can ask and receive factual answers. I feel this could eliminate any false accusations going around. Second go to public referrendum, the taxpayers should vote on which service they want. A public vote, the best choice then there would not be any backdoor politics played like there was when the DPW was purchased. I recall public hearings held the public wanted a new build and two faced politicians voted against the taxpayers wants and needs. The three amigos made the worse decision purchasing Bentges and now look at the ramifications

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AWorkingSupervisor

Feb-17-13 12:31 PM

Taxes went up to pay for a bldg not even in the Village. I credit the paper for contacting the future candidates for the upcoming election. Im dissapointed with their responses, this topic is nothing new its been talked about for several months. Either they havent been paying attention or they are ignoring the situation. Is this what we need? After all getting elected to this position is a compensated job. Seems like they are applying for a job with no clue what they are accepting. Has any of these future candidates even been to a board meeting? I want to know their plan before I choose to elect them or not.

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Mutiny

Feb-17-13 1:27 PM

I agree with Bronski, Roche is a slap in the face to the village of Silver Creek, and should never have been chief. I still can't get over how he recently lied about the use of the police car to the board.

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eagleswings

Feb-17-13 2:21 PM

What you will get from the sheriffs dept. is one officier, one car covering 2 shifts year round with the day shift added from May- Nov. They will remain at the Hanover substation because it is in the village and the current cost to the town is contract $320,063 with $25,000 for fuel and an extra $6000 for an extra car in Sunset for the summer season. They will just add the village to the 22 sq. miles they patrol now. How much time do you really think they will spend patroling all our streets?? They will just be answering calls that come in. The village will start to look like a dump because there will be no one to enforce parking laws, local laws and code enforcement. We are already havig issues with drugs and local thugs and break-ins. That solution will further destroy the village.

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FredoniaFred

Feb-17-13 2:29 PM

How could a little department in a Village like Silver Creek average close to 40 calls per day?

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eagleswings

Feb-17-13 2:35 PM

Let's place the blame where it really belongs the board. The core has been in place for 6 yrs and they have wasted more money than I can count. There is the million for the DPW they will never get according to comproller's audit report, add the 38,000 plus for tearing down a building that supposedly they couldn't for the owner to say whether he would pay for it and of course he won't. Then there is the 7500 fine that they had to pay the DEC for non compliance with their orders to bring the sewer plant up to code. Mayor has a bad habit of pushing things to the back burner and forgetting about them. Now it will cost the taxpayers 5 million. Six years ago had it been doen when they were first told it probably would have been $1.5 million less. The trustee neglected to mention that each of the working foremen have their own truck to drive andNO ONE else drives them. In fact water and sewer told them recently his truck had 50,000 miles on it and he needed a new one.

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eagleswings

Feb-17-13 2:51 PM

If you read the article correctly that was all calls.. funeral escorts bank escorts all the calls to Sunset in the summer for back up and other calls to back up the sheriff. Further, said trustee tried to make it look like the benefits package was the PD"s doing. Wrong it applies to all employees. The mayor and deputy mayor are the negotiators and they refuse to ask for conessions. This plan rivals that of Congressmen. Employees pay $0, $2 or$5 per month ( not percent ) for their health insurance. On top of that, they get a $6,000 a year HSA,. At the end of the 2 yr contract, if they haven't used for their copays, they get a check for the balnce... nice trick if you get away with it. The worst is that they all make enough money to pay 20% of the premiums and have a Flex plan not the free HSA! I say that if they don't like the idea , they can look for another job. And you wonder why the taxes are so high. The saddest part is that the fault again drops it the boards's lap.

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stargirl

Feb-17-13 3:30 PM

WAKE UP SILVER CREEK!!! You can not afford the police department!!!

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baseball

Feb-17-13 3:39 PM

eagleswings You are wrong, if the Village contracts with the sheriff, it will be for their own car in addition to what the Town has---a car dedicated to the Village. Get it straight! If the Village pays nothing at all and does not enter into a contract with the County, then there will only be the Town car! Before you offer an opinion, get the facts straight first!

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ProudToBeUnAmerican

Feb-17-13 7:37 PM

Pay the police minimum wage, they are no better than anybody else.

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concerned

Feb-17-13 7:46 PM

40 calls a day every day for a town that size does not add up unless they are counting the call of nature!

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eagleswings

Feb-17-13 9:02 PM

Said trustee is not doing his job but being vindicative simply because someone else who is an employee want to go away, He has a horrible temper and wants his way, Notice nothing has been said about the water and sewer dept or DPW Water and Sewer has 3 employees and 3 pick up0 trucks. Don't you think that that is over kill. You also seem to have forgotten that PD goes 24/7 and DPW and WAter and Sewer work onlly 7 hrs a day. No need for those supervisors to have their own F350 that no one else is allowed to drive. If you are going to argue that it must include all !! I also seem to think that most people have skipped over the numbers presented in the comments. Cost of the dedicated sheriff's car for this year is about 350,000 with all charges they have and they don't even get 24/7 coverage with that for 7 months of the year. If the village had to pay the same, we would not save a dime and because of the lack of a 3rd shift for 7 months a year. These are facts that have been verified.

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baseball

Feb-18-13 12:39 AM

eagleswings must be connected to the cop shop!!! Add up the benefit package, fuel cost, cost of cars, maintenance, liability insurance, uniform and equipment purchases, secretary costs, overtime costs, part time officer associated costs, plus regular salaries, and you will have way more than what it would cost for a sheriff car 24/7

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ReasonableCitizen

Feb-18-13 7:00 AM

Phil, Sgt. Romanik left and went to the Sheriff as a Deputy and got a pay raise, yes a pay raise !! So do the math how does the Sheriff do it for less ?? Who is paying the difference for the kingdom to expand into Silver Creek Phil ?? Easy - YOU ARE.

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StatlerandWaldorff

Feb-18-13 8:39 AM

Eagleswings needs to run for MAYOR. They have all the answers, even though half of them are wrong. hark hark hark.

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PhilJulian

Feb-18-13 8:55 AM

REASONABLECITIZEN - you are basing your opinion on the salary of one individual. The reason Jamestown is having difficulty merging law enforcement with the county is that salaries in the Jamestown Department are much higher than the Sheriff's Department. BASEBALL - I am a friend of the department head at the college who conducted the analysis that reflected 300 law enforcement. He is competant, highly intelligent and I have no reason to question his figures. I have a copy of his report. You do not have all the facts.

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baseball

Feb-18-13 9:24 AM

Well Phil, your friend is wrong in his figures, just like you are all the time, I looked at every Dept and added up the number of officers that they have, its not hard to get the figures, a few phone calls was all it took, the numbers that you have are way off! What don't you check your sources????? Get off your stilts Phil and step into the real world!

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