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Fredonia takes no action on fire grant

February 26, 2013

On Monday, during a Fredonia Village Board workshop session, a question came up about the $1....

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Christopher

Mar-01-13 7:11 AM

Well, I guess we know that "baseball" is a Fireman.

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Krasnitz

Feb-27-13 1:15 PM

The Village will incur substantial unfunded liabilities if this grant is accepted. Sixty thousand dollars up front (this year?) for training and turn-out gear etc. Then Half a Million dollars or more per year in the out years for salaries and benefits. If employees are laid off then there would be unemployment benefits to be paid. For reference: for every $80,000 of additional revenue the tax on your property will go up $1 per thousand dollars of valuation. Butts has said he worked very long and hard to get this grant; it was very difficult. So, the probability of getting another one in the foreseeable future is slim to none.

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concerned

Feb-26-13 7:36 PM

once you put them on you will never see the jobs cut. Remember erie county raised their sales tax to 8% just for a year or two how long did that last oh wait it's still in place I rest my case!

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Bulldog

Feb-26-13 5:45 PM

Butts makes close to 90k, how much will the new hires be paid?

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baseball

Feb-26-13 4:34 PM

should say at no additional cost to tax payers. BTY Fredonia offers paramedic level service 24/7 I believe no other area Fire department offers this, along with a quick response. I tune into my scanner, quite a few times, I hear it takes all Volunteer Depts 10-15 minutes to respond, more often than not another Department has to be called so that there is a response. Most Volunteers do not have the free time that they did years ago, most families have multiple jobs and take turns taking care of the kids, its not a knock on them, its the way of life now.

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baseball

Feb-26-13 4:34 PM

should say at no additional cost to tax payers. BTY Fredonia offers paramedic level service 24/7 I believe no other area Fire department offers this, along with a quick response. I tune into my scanner, quite a few times, I hear it takes all Volunteer Depts 10-15 minutes to respond, more often than not another Department has to be called so that there is a response. Most Volunteers do not have the free time that they did years ago, most families have multiple jobs and take turns taking care of the kids, its not a knock on them, its the way of life now.

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baseball

Feb-26-13 4:28 PM

cont. Also in the next 2 years there are 3 paid staff now that could retire so out of those 9 hires, 7 could be retained at no cost and the Village could still make a small profit. There are some people that have actually looked at things and figured itr all out, too bad none are on the Village board.

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baseball

Feb-26-13 4:26 PM

wiseup, FYI Fredonia is not a tiny Village, it is one of the bigger ones in NYS. It is the same size as Dunkirk and it is bigger when college is in session. Forestville, Silver Creek are tiny Villages. Fredonia aslo responds to way more calls that the Fire Departments in these small Villages. Fredonia should really be a City, but NYS will not change them. Small Fire Depts. thatb go on 20-30n calls a month can survive with a all Volunteer service, Fredonia averages over 145 calls a month, BIG difference. What the Village is not telling ya, is they want to go into the transport business and charge for the service and reap all the profits. The Fire Department cant be in the transport business and charge with the current number of personnel. The cost of transporting will pay for at least 4 more paid staff with a small profit for the Village, but they want the entire pie! a catch 22!

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obamaless

Feb-26-13 2:47 PM

wiseup, are you volunteer fire fighter,there are fewer and fewer. time to look forward,join up and become active or shut up

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localresident

Feb-26-13 1:29 PM

"Who said they are keeping all nine firefighters after the grant is up? Who said they can not apply for additional grants to keep personell at that time?"

So, you're saying hire them with guaranteed funds now, and then two years later we'll stand a very large risk of shooting ourselves in the foot (feet?) for a possible future grant that may/may not even exist? I'm curious, do you have a lot of credit card debt? Do you spend a lot of time at casinos?

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wiseup

Feb-26-13 12:39 PM

Why do we even need a "paid" fire dept?? The village is tiny and can be supported by volunteers-so could Dunkirk****bine they and the Town of Dunkirk too. Stop government from growing and higher taxes. Say no to the grant!!!

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Christopher

Feb-26-13 12:35 PM

Sarahm, the first article makes it perfectly clear that after 2 years the Village is responsible for those 9 new firemen. The grant will only cover their salaries, not their training nor equipment, that was also in the first article, and clearly ONLY for 2 years! As for layoffs, you'd better read the labor contracts covering the village and the fire department. I'm not sure at all that the village could lay off any of those firemen,even if they wanted to, once they've been hired, and I'm sure Mr. Butts is well aware of this. If they did lay them off, the Village would be responsible for unemployment benefits and the like. 9 NEW positions is a LOT!!!! It's also nonsense, but then, there is that "free money" from the Tooth Fairy hanging out there!

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sarahm

Feb-26-13 11:46 AM

Who said they are keeping all nine firefighters after the grant is up? Who said they can not apply for additional grants to keep personell at that time? I dont think I read anywhere that other options at the end of that two years have been refuted and tax payers will be expected to foot a one million dollar bill.

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localresident

Feb-26-13 10:59 AM

Sarah, how are these new positions going to be funded in Year #3? Who is going to pay for 9 "new" firefighter positions that magically appeared? You're asking taxpayers to shoulder a half-million dollars / year additionally (SWAG number, possibly not including benefits even)?

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sarahm

Feb-26-13 9:47 AM

What’s everyone going to say when there is not enough staff to come save them or their loved one? Nowhere in New York State are the staffing standards for first responders so far away from being met. This money only helps the community. How closed minded are we that we want to continue down this current path. We are being offered money to better our community and to better our standards of safety for the first responders and the residents in it. To make our residents safer and take care of them when they are truly in need of an emergency response. I vote for a safer community and the safety of the first responders. I want to ensure someone is there to come pull me from my wrecked vehicle, get my dying family member to the hospital quickly, and save my family from a fire. Go for the grant. Take this amazing opportunity you are being offered

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SmallTownSmallMind

Feb-26-13 9:32 AM

This fellow has some brass cojones. He has drunk his own kool-aid, and it seems he believes what is best for his department is much more important than what is best for the village. Nine positions to be picked up post grant is ridiculous.

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commentor

Feb-26-13 7:36 AM

I'm sure Butts can make a case for accepting this money from the money Gods. Reality is that it is a bad deal. Two years of jobs....really. We all know the next argument when that ends. As for the roof it's poor decisions like this that are costly. I can't believe if they researched this roof at the time they couldn't have discovered that it doesn't do well in the North. Who sold them that bill of goods. Board best say no to this "free money".

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Christopher

Feb-26-13 6:34 AM

"Heard from area residents how 9 new jobs would be good for the area"...lol! Yep, that money from the Tooth Fairy is burning a hole in some people's pockets!

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