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Fracking exploration

‘Shale expert’ gives presentation

February 27, 2013

PORTLAND — Dr. Anthony Ingraffea spoke to a packed house at Cornell University’s Lake Erie Research and Extension Laboratory Tuesday....

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judeye

Feb-27-13 7:58 AM

I went to this same lecture, but in the afternoon at SUNY. It was EXCELLENT. He was able to clearly explain the process of unconventional..hydro horizontal drilling and the implications and risks it presents.

There are many health risks with this type of drilling. Yet few studies have been conducted thus far on the impact to public health this type of drilling presents.

The assault on our environment, the tearing up of acres of land to build a well pad, the risk to our water supply from chemicals leaking (and he clearly with scientific evidence showed the leak level for wells) and most importantly the levels of gases..methane...put out by these type of wells make them clearly a high level danger to our planet and the living creatures (like humans) who call earth home.

We must never allow this type of drilling to happen in our state. Rather let us work together on more alternative,renewable sources of energy. Thank You Dr. for a presentation on this based on FACTS.

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Steiner

Feb-27-13 8:10 AM

Dr Doom was here. When all else fails , use the co2 argument against natural gas. Methane does absorb heat more than co2, but there is much less methane and much more water in the air.Even after allowing for belching cows ! water is the greatest heat absorber of all folks. Noone predicted the shale gas boom, so the doomocrats have to stop it. By his logic, the fracking oil boom in the west should continue then right Dr ? Clean energy will work ? What a joke as all the green energy initiatives have failed.Clean energy does not work 24/7 dr, do you know that ? Apparently not. Facts judeye ? you know so little science to determine them. The whole world is concerned over US gas boom, but no, the doomocrats say. the end of the planet is near. A curious mix of a little truth and junk science. Judeye fracking is done in PA nad elsewhere, when is the end . You do not have the right to tell landowners they cannot drill.

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Steiner

Feb-27-13 8:17 AM

More for the doomocrats, the saudis pump steam into their oil wells to thin the heavy crude down. end of world yet ? Water power ? dams use concrete whch is a huge co2 emitter.The amazon****will release huge amounts of methane, more heat equivalent than if coal were burned they say. So look for the doomocrats to block any dams. Now the hardest part of all for the doomocrats. the weather runs not just on heat, as the earth looks flat but aint,the weather uses an energetic medium to function. As the world of atoms comes from a probability world(heisenberg uncertainty priciple), so does the weather. What does the good dr have to say about the myriad of chemicals we get from oil and gas . get rid of them too? doomocrats, you have to keep trying, if that fails legislate, legislate.i am scared of the end lol.

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225522

Feb-27-13 8:47 AM

Well many states are enjoying a positive economic impact from the drilling. What great job producing use was thos acers of land doing before the drillpad was installed? Nothing..like the unemployed in the area!!

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Dcronlg

Feb-27-13 8:50 AM

Steinerdzzz...when the multitudes of lettered, vastly more educated, smarter people than you, are categorically telling you, with the sheer simplicity of 1+1=2, that you're dumber than all which could ever be imagined...then, you're dumb.

Go be a good liberal and cash that monthly Social Security "2.1 workers support me" welfare check.

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Steiner

Feb-27-13 8:54 AM

i ghuess it all comes down to what john kerry said to Europe, Americans have a right to be stupid . This is the doomocratic motto through and through. we have large, huge gas reserves and the doomocrats say no , you mustn't. Conversion disorder again.

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PhilJulian

Feb-27-13 8:58 AM

If we let the environmentalists control our lives we will all end up living in caves and using clubs to kill rabbits for dinner. The fact is that New York State is controlled by special interists and the only way to beat it is to leave like so many others have done. I wonder how many land owners have lost millions because of the pollution threat.

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Regelski

Feb-27-13 10:34 AM

The underlying problem is whether or not to continue to promote our appetite for environmentally disadvantageous sources of energy. A side effect, of course, is the local contamination of the environment. I've never understood why good God loving Christians of a conservative persuasion are not interested in protecting God's handiwork? Do they not see the contradiction? They're greed and ideology against the environment is, from this perspective, anti-Christian. The root motive of "conservationism" ought to be to conserve what God has ordained. End of sermon.

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doubleringer54

Feb-27-13 11:27 AM

Dr' Ingraffea is described as a professor of engineering at Cornell and a "shale expert." But this description, like his arguments, is only half true. Ingraffea is also the president of the Physicians, Scientists, and Engineers for Healthy Energy, a rabid anti-fracking group partially funded by the Park Foundation, another rabidly anti-fracking group. No bias here, eh? Ingraffea goes on about the harmful effects of methane and has previously published a study in 2011 expounding on his theory. This study was reviewed and discredited by the likes of Cornell University, MIT, Carnegie Mellon, and the Clean Air Task Force. I didn't hear him mention this little fact. He supports increased use of nuclear power. No mention of that,either. Like all anti-frackers, as opposed to pro-environmentalists, he reaches his conclusions and then cherry picks the facts to support it. This is the exact opposite of what real experts do.

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killers

Feb-27-13 12:11 PM

wow, talk about not being unbiased. He was sponsored by all the groups that are against fossil fuels. Remember if there were all these catastrophic problems this process would not be expanding across the county. Remember many of these same arguments were made in the early 70's and nothing ever came of them. One thing i do find ironic is how anti drilling these people are and the footprint that is left is for the most part is temporary. However, these same people have no problem building new highways and roads which are the most environmentally unfriendly projects that can be done and are forever.

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Preston

Feb-27-13 3:37 PM

Dr. Ingraffea is NOT a shale expert. He has never worked with shales nor has he ever been in the field looking at the rocks. He is not a geologist. He is on the circuit promoting his own views and making money. Even Cornell University came out against Dr. Ingraffea's study as being flawed.

He never mentioned the CO2 loading has decreased since we have been using less coal and more natural gas.

As for his view we can be fossil fuel free by 2030, keep on dreaming. We still have to build a better grid system and figure out how to eliminate the baseload energy(coal or natural gas) when the wind decreases or stops blowing or the sun refuses to shine.

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popawheelie

Feb-27-13 5:59 PM

its the greatest thing since peanut butter and jelly, just don't put one near my well.

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DaveMiller

Feb-27-13 6:05 PM

Preston and Doubleringer54, please post the sources for the Cornell and MIT studies that you mentioned. Thanks

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concerned

Feb-27-13 8:36 PM

Just one question who paid for the study?

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Preston

Feb-27-13 8:56 PM

The study was funded by the Sierra Club.

DaveMiller- google "ingraffea study discredited" Too many sources to post here.

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localresident

Feb-27-13 9:34 PM

For DaveMiller, here you go:

www . energyindepth . org/wp-content/uploads//2013/01/EID_Howarth_fact_sheet5.pdf

Funny, how if you use the guise of environmentally healthy, the left won't even question it. It got Judeye hook, line, and sinker.

The Pied Piper doesn't need to prove his music is any good, he only need play his instrument.

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localresident

Feb-27-13 9:43 PM

Actually, this article has links to the aforementioned university studies discrediting Howarth & Ingraffea:

marcellusdrilling . com/2011/05/howarth-ingraffea-shale-gas-study-on-global-warming-discredited-by-u-s-department-of-energy/

Go to the bottom to see the links.

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localresident

Feb-27-13 9:48 PM

So, this is what "higher educators" do? Nice. No indoctrination there at all. Noooo-siree. Well, at least it cost the students a lot to be lied to. I bet that looks good on their resumes while looking for their first jobs.

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Carlaw

Feb-28-13 6:19 AM

"Higher Educators" examine and discuss all viewpoints and present them to the public for consideration. My, my, what a terrible thing to do!

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roberta2

Feb-28-13 7:45 AM

YEP its me !&$()!^((*%!! Roberta again---no long term benfits from shale gas-- already hired crews--just like the old days> drill destroy and take till its gone--wind power would help a lot but every town ship has vote down---the wind and sun will get better IF we stop killing it---and our water there is no place around here were its pure except at my home were i totally pureafie it--do i wish that we all not beable to not heat our homes----NO -we need to do postive things to help our world--

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judeye

Feb-28-13 9:32 AM

Oh look here...found some of his credentials....

"He has taught structural mechanics, finite element methods,and fracture mechanics at Cornell since 1977.

Dr. Ingraffea's research concentrates on computer simulation and physical testing of complex fracturing processes. He and his students performed pioneering research in the use of interactive computer graphics in computational mechanics. He has authored with his students over 200 papers in these areas. ...Professor Ingraffea has received numerous awards his outstanding teaching at Cornell..He was named Co-Editor-in-Chief of Engineering Fracture Mechanics in 2005, received the ASTM Irwin Award for meritorious contributions to the practice of fracture mechanics in 2006, and was named a Fellow of the International Congress on Fracture in 2009. In 2011, TIME Magazine named him one of its "People Who Mattered".

Looks like he is well educated in this field..in fact one of the LEADING EXPERTS.

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judeye

Feb-28-13 9:49 AM

doubleringer54...and the Energy In Depth..where you got this information is funded by OPAA (Independent Petroleum Assoc of America) and the Northeast Marcellus Initiative.

Do you really think that they would be objective?

I could not find the original source for the study from Carnegie Mellon. If you have it would you post it please?

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judeye

Feb-28-13 9:53 AM

Preston...You clearly have not read his bio have you? Sure sounds like a leading expert in this field to me.

Oh and I did not post all of his awards and accomplishment and recognition for his work and research in this area. Including ones from NASA and TIME mag... Try a Google search.

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judeye

Feb-28-13 10:09 AM

localresident...ok...finally got it..and was able to read the study that refutes that drilling in shale is worse than burning coal.

BOTH ARE HARMFUL though to our environment. Are we really spitting hairs on which one is worse..rather than concentrating on we have to reduce BOTH and all that is impacting our environment..ie impacting the climate.

There is NO DISPUTE with top climate scientists that climate change is occurring...happening at a faster rate than most scientists have projected in the past...and that YES humans are at least partly responsible for it. Meaning that we humans can do something to at least slow it down...Hopefully people will stop with all the disputing of FACTS and scientific evidence..before it is too late.

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Preston

Feb-28-13 2:03 PM

judeye- Just because he is called a shale expert by a newspaper reporter, doesn't make it fact. Dr. Ingraffea's knowledge lies in engineering, not stratigraphy.

If you truly want to speak to someone who is recognized as an internationally known shale expert, contact Dr. Gary Lash. He teaches at SUNY Fredonia in the Geosciences Dept. His research is nothing but shale. In fact Dr. Lash was named as one of the Top global Thinkers for making the Marcellus shale a household name.

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