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A case for God

By Richard Westlund

March 19, 2013

Most of the modern world’s religions are based on what some consider fairy stories, and folk tales from centuries ago....

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Conrad

Mar-25-13 2:24 PM

Marcia- You're absolutely right about Mike and I would add PhilJulian and a few others whose names escape me. I really think civil discourse is important when people disagree on some points. I left this commentary column for a long time because of some of the not so civil postings, but will post now at a lesser pace. Good to see you're still around. Also Judi, can't keep up with her. She's a posting machine!

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Marcia

Mar-24-13 5:07 PM

MikeDavis, I for one can attest that you are not a liberal. But I must say i enjoyed the exchange between you and Conrad, and totally agree. I grew up a Roman Catholic too, but realized there was more bad than good in the hierarchy of the church. But God, if it exists, really has nothing to do with organized religion, and made up rules. Thanks for the postings.

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MikeDavis

Mar-21-13 9:51 PM

Steiner just the fact you called me a lib is good enough to discredit your comments for the next, oh I don't know twenty five years? LOL, ask the people who proudly call themselves liberal on these threads how liberal I am. I do think you have something a little loose in your cranial cavity. But, sometimes like the blind squirrel, you manage a coherent thought I agree with... not nearly as often as I agree with those same liberals here though. Judeye has passion for her beliefs, and repect for those that don't agree with her. And when I agree with her I let her know because it isn't as often as you think. Your constant insults make it hard to get to any of the possibly enlightening thoughts you might have been able to come up with. So in the interest of all, can you try and act civil? I know at times I get tired of the disrespect of a couple the posters here, but overall this is an iinteresting forum. Please, try and have a little self restraint with the comments, okay? Thank you.

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Steiner

Mar-21-13 9:58 AM

hey posters, the love thing , wrong at its foundation was perpetuated by the apostle Paul. A Zoroastrian would know why christ came. The magi too, thats why they were called wise. Obscure , but good bible scholars would know this. they are long since dead. paul was more hebrew in his outlook. Too bad he did not know Zoroastrianism. hey dc, how is it the pioneers of quantum physics made their progress in europe under hitlers regime, openly hostile too them. assasination teams were sent in to kill some of the scientists.so much for your theory the govt does everything. wrong again dc.What else can liberals say ?

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Steiner

Mar-21-13 9:13 AM

mikedavis and conrad are confused as all libs are. jesus did not come here for love. He came to raise a perfect strong force body out of the grave. Child abuse bad? well compared to the excesses of the democrats, civil war, klan etc it pales greatly. Libs you are using 21st century logic on old texts. It wont work. You posters should try reading some science and see what is known already. If there was no strong force,a physics term, the matter would frit away slowly. We have strong force in us and thats what jesus came to to work on. Dc and his lavish comments mean nothing. All he says is social things. Thats not what jesus came for. Read the texts. Dc has to justify big govt. It is the other way around. Private enterprise gave us everything, dc. you are confused.

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Conrad

Mar-20-13 10:12 PM

Mike- Whenever I write any comments I always walk away thinking I should have clarified this or that, But you did it for me. I would add that if you want to practice a religion make sure that you do not infringe on the rights of others. Two cases in point- I was born a Roman Catholic and the sexual abuse practiced by some clerics is a horror story. Also the charlatans on TV preying (that's prEying on the emotions of people to get their money is something I call emotional extortion. Both are international shames.

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MikeDavis

Mar-20-13 8:55 PM

Conrad, absolutely. Whatever allows people to at least make an effort to be kind to each other is okay. My peeve is with people that say their beliefs trump any other. And some of the fringes are unraveling at an alarming pace. When they start murdering in the name of God it's gone so far it's in the other guys' realm.

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Conrad

Mar-20-13 8:09 PM

Mike- Two excellent posts and I think you would also agree that people have a right to practice whatever religion they choose. Also a right not to have a religion or to be agnostic. You'll find good and bad people in all the aforementioned categories. There are people who believe that all the evil around and in us points toward simply living in an indifferent universe. I, for one, hope and wish there is a God simply because I want to see justice done, but perhaps, as you, I find it very difficult when I see all the misery, evil and injustice around us.

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MikeDavis

Mar-20-13 7:46 PM

Add to all that the weakness of humans for pleasure and power and it has morphed into the thing we call religion today. Leaders hiding despicable crimes from the public to keep the faithful tithing their weekly "offering to God". Jesus tried to get humans to actually love one another, no money needed. Being rich was almost a guarantee to not get into Heaven. But the base that man evolved from is still animal. And the animal comes out more and more as the situation he finds himself in gets more and more dire. Instincts overcome learning and social grace. The Donner party, the Andes plane crash as example. As you said, fairy tales are nice. But reality is what people should learn to accept and start dealing with, that or we are destined to annihilate ourselves in nuclear or biological mass destruction.

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MikeDavis

Mar-20-13 7:32 PM

Off the Steiner trail for a moment. Maybe the laws you find so eloquent are what humans adapted and evolved to, to thrive within them, Mr Westlund? And as for the idea of GOD, (the Great Original Dogma) from ancient times...well humanity has been looking for someone to help them stand on their own for so long it's just part of the social fabric for a large percentage of the world's population. It's a nice feeling, to think there is someone out there that care for you no matter what you do. But how is it a comfort to know that that same someone lets such horrible tragedy befall mankind from time to time? The plague? Small Pox? World Wars? and now the latest round of crusades and attacks of the "Persians" on the West? And why would the supposed pillars of religion and piousness be the bringers of such misery upon humanity? The Inquisition, the first Crusades, the slaughter of Christians from Rome to present day by Islamic fundamentalists? (con't.)

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Conrad

Mar-20-13 5:16 PM

To anybody- What's a steinertron?

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Steiner

Mar-20-13 8:29 AM

Many of you posters do not know history or science.Dk , you have not had a quote in awhile. If you knew science, you would know that the anomalies or so called trivial things can lead to great inventions. the electrical world was made this way. So was liquified gases. So dk, please continue to mock, as the great scientists, all dead just laugh at you. Their inventions live on inspite of your mockings. everything I have written here posters is right from history, ancient writings or my steinertron work verified by independent labs. CERN cannot make energized fuel, but I can.So posters give it your best shot ! Maybe a walk in africa !

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Steiner

Mar-20-13 8:23 AM

i was not trivializing westlunds remarks. How could anyone think that. Dk goofs it again and again. What i have written is real science. If the bible scholars who wrote the works I read, decoding the double dialectic and knowing the science we have today, I bet they could duplicate all I have done. I used their works as a key. Like an enigma machine, once you know the cipher, the code will break. Christians now have proof in a raising of Christ. This has been mocked for centuries. The strong force came out of the grave. If I can energize hydrocarbon fuels to to do more than what they normally do , it should be no problem for a strong force being to raise up the equivalent strong force in a human. after all folks, I am using the same energies, made by clever machines to do the work. They would not need machines as they are composed of the forces and more. Quantum physics backs me up. Dk mocks all the physicists who gave us the bomb and more. He thinks he is smart.

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Conrad

Mar-19-13 8:00 PM

I don't necessarily agree with all of Mr. Westlund's remarks, but it's a shame that Steiner has to trivialize them with his less than civilized remarks.

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ProudToBeUnAmerican

Mar-19-13 6:57 PM

God may bless America, but only if he's been sleeping since 1776. How can God bless an entire country anyway? Would that include the murderers, rapists, child molesters etc? or just those who go to church? And which church? The one that my hippy friends go to, or the one where they harass funeral-goers? I think God will ultimately judge us individually, like it says in the bible.

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DKexpat

Mar-19-13 4:15 PM

"At the risk of being kicked out of the comments, I have to post one more post."

No, no, no - PLEASE don't stop! You're more entertaining than Dilbert!

:-)

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Dcronlg

Mar-19-13 11:07 AM

Steinderzzz...funny thing about your God: if you believe in Him, His justice, His desire for selflessness among His children, their adherence to certain responsibilities and His grand plan, then He clearly must support the selflessness towards fellow men of the liberal philosophy and practice, the fact that He placed you in a society where you personally could be a recipient of such benevolence, from public school to minimum wages to your social security and everything in between, but He must be somewhat disappointed in that you fail, fail, fail to show Him the appreciation for all these things you enjoy and need to subsist on.

Tsk, tsk -- not sure I ever want to be in your shoes...

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Steiner

Mar-19-13 10:14 AM

At the risk of being kicked out of the comments, I have to post one more post. How do we know the libs are evil or at least their leaders are ? Old carvings show a bull being sacfriced , common things back then. In a background we have a scorpion, trying to sting the seed sack of the bull. The bull is a ruminant, the seed sack the future. The scorpion would be the devil, aka as ahriman trying to stop the future by killing the seed sack. here we have the libs pro abortion stance . Also we have their rants against methane belching cows from the ruminants stomach.A clean animal to eat. Global warming you know. Over 2500 years and the libs have not changed one bit. decode this story more and you can build strong force machines.How is africa DC ?

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Steiner

Mar-19-13 9:52 AM

The libs say all you need is love (and a tax increase.) hey dk, if i did not build my machines using stuff readily available from industrial supply houses, who exactly did ?The strong force ideas came right out of the ancient texts. Dc would be still walking around from africa. I simply figured what they were doing , decoding the double dialectic with a good knowledge of industry and science. learned liberals how come you do not know of this ? I used science from famous scientists , who apparently did not build anything per DK. libs, where exactly did I go wrong as my stuff has been proven in independent testing labs. Maybe they did not build anything , right dk ? liberals where are you ?

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Steiner

Mar-19-13 9:41 AM

hey dc, the strong force behings are upwind of the heisenberg uncertainty principle. They are the answer we do not have a chaotic world. This is the basis of discussions between einstein and bohr. take away the strong force and matter would frit away. science dc . The world is constructed out of quantum uncertainty till a strong force being propels it to reality. If one is clever like myself, you can build machines to show the strong force.narcissm dc ? nope it is fact. even electricity has a non material essence to it. This can be found easily if you have equipment, readily available. non material forces, strong forces absolutely sink darwin. people like dc and others hinder progress with their garbage about africa, darwin etc.Liberals, the most ignorant people on the planet.

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Steiner

Mar-19-13 9:34 AM

dc gets it wrong again. because the dumbocrats steadfastly refuse any solid creation science, dc believes we walked out of africa. Dc ignores all science, like a fool who says there is no god. Ancient chinese legend says adam and eve fell out of the cosmos, thru the layers of the atmosphere/ionosphere to solid earth.The flame and sword were the thunderstorm processes, a work of one group of strong force beings. This is cleverly written in genesis. But attitudes of dc prevent it from being taught. Hey dc, the greatest civilizations founded were by people who were in contact with strong force beings. Once again, you have nothing to offer but an opinion and a bad one at that. Easter is drawing near. the resurrection of christ was the strong forces coming out of the grave. we have science, christians,for the christ miracle. the libs have distorted opinions .

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Dcronlg

Mar-19-13 9:15 AM

I don't see the hand of God anywhere in the creation of laws by men to bring order, protection and rights into their lives. In fact, many of the laws we have are the same in principle and spirit in cultures who don't even recognize the narcissistic Judeo-Christain creation of imagination.

If they didn't believe in God, then from where did they create this laws of order from chaos?

From the same place we all did, as we walked out of Africa all those million of years ago: the base case, in a hierarchy of needs, of simple self-preservation, protection and survival.

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Steiner

Mar-19-13 8:16 AM

Mr Westlund is absolutely correct about there being a God. the fables he mentioned are parables, packed with double dialectic meaning as printing and writing were scarce. we had to wait 1000's years for proof of the gods, as there are 7 major groups of them. The proof is quantum physics. the world we see comes from an unobservable world, the world of heisenberg uncertainty principle. Physics mentions the strong force, that is the gods force, actually 2 of them , behind all phenomena today, including gravity. The fool says there is no god. What he actually is saying is there is no strong force. Unscientific and lacking in any knowledge, for he is a fool, like our modern democrats. we would know more of this, but our schools, indoctrination centers run by the dumbocratic teachers union who steadfastly refuse even choice, let alone solid creation science. For 100 years science has been saying there are god forces behind nature, but the democrats suppress this to remain in control.

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