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Breaking down the SAFE Act’s cost

April 21, 2013

By LIZ SKOCZYLAS OBSERVER Mayville Bureau It is too early to tell the kind of impact the NY SAFE Act will have on the Chautauqua County budge....

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1Laona

Apr-23-13 11:37 AM

Yes,I think I touched a nerve.When he makes a point and then is called on it seems to be the trigger.Has no use for the opinions of cops on the street and when called on it blows up-go figure...have to check my "Dealing with the Liberal mind(or lack there of).

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American

Apr-23-13 11:10 AM

What did you do 1Laona step on his "manhood" and really tick him off. Christopher seems like such an angry old white man. His rants are no different then Steiner's anymore.

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Christopher

Apr-23-13 10:53 AM

You only care about one right. Yes, you are a liar and a coward. You'd give up any constitutional right but one, and even that is wrongheaded. Sorry, I didn't know sunglasses were an issue, lol. As for the hat, you see about a hundred of those a day, some from WW II, Korea and Iraq. It's called PRIDE. I can see why it bugs you though, I don't fit into your dogmatic pigeonhole.

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1Laona

Apr-23-13 8:10 AM

Paul,not a coward,liar or spineless.Never had to "Trumpet" my views wearing my "Rambo" hat and trademark sunglasses.Just want to go through life as best I can-doing some good-trying to do no harm.If King Obama and Prince Andy hadn't come along I wouldn't have gotten involved in Protesting in Albany or writing hundreds of Legislators trying to keep our rights.As far as using a screen name consider that as concealed carry and for the same reasons.

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DarkStar

Apr-23-13 7:28 AM

Christopher,

I don't think the question is what they want, I think the question we should ask them is "Do more gun laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals" and I would bet the answer would be a resonding "NO!"

Add to that opinion the lax enforcement of the thousands of current laws on the book and I'm forced to ask what another law will do?

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judeye

Apr-23-13 7:26 AM

localresident....Well said. Extremists of ANY religion are dangerous.

I do not think that most Christians want to be associated with the likes of the Westboro Church. Just like most Muslims do not want to be associated with the extremists in their religion.

Whenever any group thinks they have all the answers, and particularly when they think they have God on their side,there is much danger.

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1Laona

Apr-22-13 7:56 PM

Now Paul,how about posting about the opinion of 15,000 cops on policeone****.If there were SO many cops who agreed with you(must be a few liberals there)trot them out.It's plain that the Rank&File(UNION) members don't agree with your Left-leaning BS.Ignor it,spin it, it's just NOT THERE.What's next...Judeye chimes in with"Someone tell me how they CAN'T agree with (pick one:registration, banning AR-15's,Hi-Cap Mags...)You're a sorry bunch.If it comes to sink or swim I wouldn't bet on you.

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1Laona

Apr-22-13 7:15 PM

I think not Paul,If anyone else has checked the site they know you're BSing.Nice to know how you twist things though.Sometimes you make sense but then BWANG you're way out there.No liar here,DO know about your end.It's ALL about Paul, ALL the time.

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Christopher

Apr-22-13 1:13 PM

Nope, you're right 1laona, no liberal cop will ever perform their duty. Heck, I'm sure there are no Liberal cops nor Liberal members of the service. Have I got that right? You're twisting again, and not successfully. Are all police officers on that site, expressing their views? I made one comment about that site on one issue. I'll stand by that opinion too. It is not objective, not one bit more than FOX News or MSNBC are objective. But why argue, you're a liar and that's that.

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1Laona

Apr-22-13 11:53 AM

Hokey-Pokey Christopher,if you discount all that the Officers set forth on policeone site being as they are all "as liberal as Richard Nixon"but you respect anyone in uniform who does their job in an honest manner...could we just "turn it all around" a little more?Call a Liberal next time there's a shooting or a bombing.I'm sure they'll all be running TO the scene instead of away.

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DarkStar

Apr-22-13 8:28 AM

Z haven't had a chance to read through all 50+ comments but I have to say that I agree with Christopher that we need to treat the bomber as a US citizen and he should have the rights as outlined in the Constitution.

As for joew, the problem is where is the line drawn, and who gets to decide where it is? Remember the government is given the okay to ignore the Constitution it will do so and what will ignore it for will continually expand until no one is protected by the Constitution any longer.

Now as for Christopher's comment about "right wing zealots" is wrong, it's not right or left wing that causes the problems, it's the zealots from both sides of the spectrum that does.

As for the Homeland Security Act, while the GOP pushed it a large percentage of democrats supported it. Roughly 40% of House dems voted for it as did 41 of the 49 Senators in the DNC.

Also let's not forget that the current administration has not only embraced this law but has expanded on it.

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Christopher

Apr-22-13 12:14 AM

RipleyResident, we have disagreed on some issues, but I appreciate your ability to see the other side on others. I salute your ability to express non-personal opinions. Stangv8, the same, I salute your integrity. You are clearly not cherry picking your support of the Constitution. We may disagree on some things, maybe most things, but I have a hugely different opinion as to your personal integrity. Salute!

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RipleyResident

Apr-21-13 10:19 PM

Brace yourselves...

I agree with Christopher here. Whatever the circumstances around how/why he is, this terrorist is an American citizen, and should be treated as such. While there is no doubt in my mind that he is guilty, until this is proven in a court of law, he is innocent. Not until his guilt has been determined, should his rights be subject to revocation. The same slippery slope that we worry about with the 2nd Amendment, applies here. Where do we draw the line declaring Americans as enemy combatants? My opinion is we don't. If his brother were still alive, different story, he wasn't a citizen, and they are both terrorists.

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stangv8

Apr-21-13 10:02 PM

This trial should be no different that Tim McVeigh's. If found guilty, he should be executed like McVeigh was.

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stangv8

Apr-21-13 9:56 PM

CadeFoster, since when did Islam become a race of people?

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Christopher

Apr-21-13 9:31 PM

1lanoa, please read before responding. I clearly was talking about POLITICAL ZEALOTS in uniform. I support anyone in uniform who does the job objectively, honestly and without prejudice. If you have a different idea on that, it sort of fits the stereotype, doesn't it. You can disagree with me all you want to, but I do wish you wouldn't put words in my mouth. "You prove my point about one thing, and that is that the most right wing of zealots are the ones we all have to really watch, especially those in uniform of any kind," I rest my case.

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Christopher

Apr-21-13 9:27 PM

Joew, your being a registered Independent is a joke, your words say that VERY clearly on everything you post. No, I was NOT being ridiculous. Tim McVeigh was a bomber, and he was tried and convicted just fine in a regular court, wasn't he? As it should be. I take stands all the time that support or aggravate the heck out of some on both sides of the aisle, and I do it very publically and under my own name. Most of those screaming the word "LIBERAL" at me are basing it on mostly on one issue. Sometimes they obviously don't even read an entire article before launching! You worry about a slippery slope with guns, and can't see the danger of trying an American citizen in a Military court? Wow, you must have forgotten a lot of those oaths you took. The kid gets tried in a Federal Court, they have the death penalty. What's the gain in a Military tribunal, other than to lessen his CONSTITUTIONAL rights as an AMERICAN CITIZEN? This isn't a country ruled by a Military Junta!

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joew

Apr-21-13 9:11 PM

Comparing the Boston bombers to the likes of Jeffrey Dahmer and the others you mentioned is ridiculous and you know it. I am a registered independent so your party line BS you can put away. I think zealotry is more along your line of thinking than mine!

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1Laona

Apr-21-13 8:33 PM

Paul,...in uniforms of any kind.So there you have it-those who try to keep the "Animals"from running free amoung us(the Cops)are not to be trusted.You took a wrong turn some place...try to get back or turn in YOUR guns.I wouldn't want you second guessing some Cop for "not doing the right thing" in your mind.Maybe you aren't trying to come across that way but that's my take on it.

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Christopher

Apr-21-13 8:17 PM

Oh, and by the way, John McCain's war record is beyond reproach. That doesn't mean he gets a free pass on being an idiot or a typical partisan politician like the rest of them. And listening to him on the campaign trail, and in between and afterwards, yes, he's lost his mind and his way. I'd bet you had no problem bashing John Kerry's war record, did you? How about Bob Kerry? How about Max Cleland, who was accused of not being patriotic enough by your party, Joew, a multiple amputee from Vietnam! Funny how that works. John McCain is no different than John Kerry, they both milked their service into political office, one left, one right.

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Christopher

Apr-21-13 8:11 PM

Joew, you're some American Patriot, you are!! Why, heck, anyone who commits a dastardly act is no longer an American!!? My, my what Army was it you served in anyway, The SS? Are child molesters Americans? How about your average murderer? Drug dealers? Certainly, in your eyes, Jeffrey Dahmer was no longer an American, correct? I'm curious, is it just this particular dastardly act, or any of them, or just the ones you say? I wonder if you have a friggin' clue how scary your attitude is. You prove my point about one thing, and that is that the most right wing of zealots are the ones we all have to really watch, especially those in uniform of any kind, not the Liberals. After all, THEY'RE the ones who wrote and passed the Homeland Security Act, about which Dick Cheney made almost the same comments as Nancy Pelosi did about the Healthcare Act.

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ProudToBeUnAmerican

Apr-21-13 8:00 PM

Freedom isn't free but safety is too expensive. Besides, we have a new tragedy to hold our attention and Newtown is so yesterday. Thank you for forgetting and moving on.

Sincerely, the NRA

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localresident

Apr-21-13 7:54 PM

Don't forget that the Crusades were a single-minded extremist task force for Catholicism to eliminate the Muslim opposition. Extremist Islam activism is not the only form of religious over-ambition.

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localresident

Apr-21-13 7:51 PM

It goes without saying that Al Qaeda, the PLO, Hamas, KKK, Jeffs' sect (I forget the name), etc. are all considered extremist groups. The rational people of said religions that extremists supposedly "follow" would consider them no less an outcast/pariah than we do Adolf Hitler.

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localresident

Apr-21-13 7:40 PM

American, traditional Muslims are no more dangerous or different than a traditional Catholic, Christian, Jewish person, etc. it's when you tie on the prefix "extremist" to the religion that a person goes from benevolent next door neighbor to insanely irrational nut job. Any moderate <insert religion here> member will denounce the deeds done by extremists in their religion's name as much as the targeted group does.

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