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Salute our federal workers

May 11, 2013

Editor, OBSERVER: I want to personally express my support for the over 200,000 active and retired federal workers in New York stat....

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Captain

May-11-13 10:21 AM

IMO, anyone who works for a living contributes to society in one way or another, so I typically resent most people who seek special recognition for what they do, suggesting they are somehow more important than others, as this letter implies.

Of course there are some exceptions, specifically those in the military, but not necessarily the "lifers" who make a career out of it, but more so for those who serve out of a sense of duty to country. People who volunteer their services to help better their communities are also deserving of special recognition.

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localresident

May-11-13 12:01 PM

Hey Arnold, I'm forced to salute them every time I get a paycheck. Quit being so pompous. Aside from the military, they should salute ME. Yes, I'm looking at you too, TSA, you by-and-large laughable bunch of unprofessional leaches.

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localresident

May-11-13 12:09 PM

Oh and let's not forget the IRS, who apparently targets political groups. Real stand-up crew there, those feds. Not to mention politicians themselves, who force ill-written laws on the people, but make sure they themselves are immune from them? They should all making license plates.

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American

May-11-13 8:03 PM

Why would we "salute" those that we support with excessive taxes and pensions. Military and 1st responders yes. The rest of you hired on to do a job the same as any worker. Except we pay for you due to the fact there is no way you can be self sustaining. Leeches never are.

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DKexpat

May-12-13 10:05 PM

A friend of mine recently retired from the State Department...under the "old pension system" --- at 80% - 80% - of his salary.

I'll be thanking him for as long as I pay federal taxes.

:-)

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Christopher

May-13-13 10:16 AM

Why are all members of the Military always granted a "pass" or special consideration? 50% of the Military isn't any different than any clerk at the DMV, The SS office, and aren't motivated by anything but a paycheck. Why the assumption they're all in it for "God and Country"! That's just BS.

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MikeDavis

May-13-13 11:37 AM

Really Paul? You claim to have been in the military. Do you remember the pay? Any and every discount was appreciated by military members when I was active duty. You must have some issues going on, you have been nothing but sour grapes for a few months. The federal work force has become a joke. Try and get a government job without an inside connection or being a minority and see how far you get. Not very is the short answer. And who is making the decisions as to permanent disability? We now have over 10 MILLION on those roles. How much longer can the country keep this up? Again the short answer is not very....

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Christopher

May-13-13 3:01 PM

Excuse me, but comparing compensation for the Military now and when I was in just doesn't match! I made $96 a month in Basic, no where near, even with inflation to the almost $500 now. A PFC makes more than I did in Vietnam with Combat, overseas and jump pay. Figuring in free room and board, yes, any PFC clerk makes comparable money to an entry level civilian counterpart. and no, it's not sour grapes it's calling out those who continually complain about their taxes and public employees and give certain people an automatic free pass. People like you Mikedavis, with your automatic hero worship of anyone wearing a uniform are why we lose so many on combat. It's NOT a football game, though you and those like you treat it as such.

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Christopher

May-13-13 5:48 PM

Rereading your response, Mikedavis, if anyone seems to have an axe to grind, it's you. What, you didn't get the job you applied for? Public Employee bashing is like a sport to you people. You'd be amazed at the turnover where I worked due to people being unable to handle the job. More than 50% of our trainee classes never made it past that, and many more left after a very short time. And I don't "CLAIM" to have been in the Military, I WAS in the Military, including 13 months in Vietnam with the 101st Airborne Division, and I did earn a CIB, I was no clerk. You go to H E L L!

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localresident

May-13-13 11:02 PM

Actually, Christopher, you had it better than your fellow vets of today. $96 in 1968, for example, is equal to $642.13 on 2013 dollars.

data . bls . gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=95&year1=1968&year2=2013

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localresident

May-13-13 11:24 PM

Or, at the very least, you had it much better than you think.

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Christopher

May-14-13 6:17 AM

Except Localresident, an awful lot of the things you use to determine the value of that money don't apply and still don't apply to someone living on a military base. I mean, are you buying a house? No. I'll bet you're against the Minimum wage hike. The minimum wage should be at least $10.50 in todays inflationary dollars. That's just one example. And still, it misses the point, which is that the clerks in the military or the DMV are doing the same work for the same retirements and benefits, yet nobody complains about that. THAT'S the point.

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stangv8

May-14-13 9:19 AM

Christopher, you’re wrong about what a PFC makes today. If you look at a current military pay scale, you’ll see that an E-1 starting out makes $1512.20 per month. A PFC, over 2, would make $1889.90.

Don’t let anyone kid you folks, military personnel are paid very well today. Just google “military pay scale 2013” and be in for a surprise

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localresident

May-14-13 10:10 AM

$1889.90 x 12 = $22,678.80. Not exactly a king's ransom by any means, but reasonable enough considering that housing and healthcare are thrown in.

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Christopher

May-14-13 10:20 AM

I never said what a PFC makes, only that they make more than I did as an E-4 with Combat pay, etc., etc. Thank you Stangv8 for helping my case, at any rate.

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stangv8

May-14-13 12:26 PM

localresident, that’s considering they’re single, living in the barracks and eating in the chow hall. A married E-4 living off base would make an additional, tax free, $325 per month for food allowance and between $900 - $1900 per month housing allowance while also, some areas, get an additional COLA allowance.

If I was still active duty (enlisted) and at my retirement rank and years of service, with allowances I would be making just over $83,000 per year with about 25% of that tax free. That doesn’t include the unseen allowances like healthcare, base facilities, etc. That's all stateside pay; no deployments.

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Captain

May-17-13 5:14 PM

This thread is about giving federal workers special recognition, and I noted my resentment for it, just like I have in the past. With regard to giving ALL military personnel "special consideration", I believe I also pointed out a clear distinction between lifers, doing it for a career (ie; money, retirement) and those who serve b/c they truly feel it's their duty.

Paul must've missed that part.

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Captain

May-17-13 5:44 PM

Furthermore, even if people "like us" show an "automatic hero worship" for those in uniform, how in the world do you relate that to being the reason why so many soldiers are killed in combat?

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