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May 14, 2013

The 10th Amendment to the Constitution states, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to......

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joew

May-16-13 6:30 AM

American-I'll drink to that!

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American

May-15-13 10:44 PM

Ok maybe I did go over the top a little and no way do I want to take your free will choice of heaven or he ll away from you. That is strictly your choice. But I do get tired of people that think God doesn't bless a moral nation and we have become anything but that with the help of liberals. So if I insulted you I apologize for that. But I will never apologize for my beliefs nor my love of America. I am one of those that think America first the rest of the world afterwards. But it is your choice to believe or not to believe and by all means take your choice.

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Marcia

May-15-13 10:33 PM

I'm the birdbrain, and yet you, American, are the one slinging personal insults for an opinion that doesn't match yours. And just how does "you would just rather have God wipe out free will for everyone and make us into good little robots" have any correlation to the fact that I don't believe in god? It sounds like you want to wipe out my free will not to believe. I never insulted you, your beliefs, or said you shouldn't believe in god, only that I didn't.

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American

May-15-13 4:08 PM

Awwww did I ruffle your feathers a little. I use the word feathers because it seems fitting for a birdbrain such as yourself. So you would just rather have God wipe out free will for everyone and make us into good little robots. That is pretty much the liberal credo isn't it. There is evil in the world Marcia and it is because you have free will to choose what you want. Sad ,sad case of liberalism shown here.

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Marcia

May-15-13 1:29 PM

American, taking this a little too personal, are we. I just asked the author a question. And i am not a god hater, because I do not believe god exists, and i can't hate what doesn't exist. If I did believe in god I would hate him (her?) for all the injustices it allows to proliferate on people. You know, the holocaust, all wars, rapes, murders, etc.

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American

May-15-13 12:37 PM

Well Marcia the God hater, I believe what that refers to is asking God to bless America. So from what you post then you think it is wrong to ask for that? Crawl back into your pit viper.

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Marcia

May-15-13 11:18 AM

Mr. Westlund, do you mean God bless America, and no one else? Do you think an all loving or all powerful god prefers one country over another? One person over another based on where they were born? Really? That is your god?

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Steiner

May-15-13 7:58 AM

hey cronig, so society is becoming more complex. So why dont you list all the things accomplished in America by a govt grant or program. You exist, cronig in the early 1900's mentality where it was thought by many like you that the govt could solve all our problems with proper legislation. we got sterilizations , prohibition and eugenics from this. All done to help society. It is you cronig who needs to see the big picture.You need to modernize and see the erors of the progressives. Millions died from their efforts. You could not be more wrong. Thats why you think you are so correct. need a govt grant to think ?

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Steiner

May-15-13 7:52 AM

cronig is wrong again and again. What westlund wrote did exist and thats how we got what we got. Cronig cannot do any reading at all. Only cronig knows and thats the mentality of the democratic party. It all started with the democrats, states rights led to civil war, the darling of the democrats and then the income tax. Libs try and read something. Look at what the IRS is doing to tea partiers and the libs even blamed Bush for it. At the root of all our problems is either a progressive or a liberal. They just cannot resist the urge to tell people what to do.

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DarkStar

May-14-13 4:48 PM

Christopher,

Well I don't trust the state or the fed to be honest and above board with us, and they are really all just out for themselves, but as those who oppose consolidation point out, the closer the something is to you the more say you have over it (although I disagree with the level you want to take it.)

For example, the mayor of Dunkirk is more answerable to an individual citizen then the County Exec, and the County Exec more answerable then the Governor, of course once you leave the local level it sort of becomes moot since they aren't answerable at all to the private citizen.

Yes, states have done many bad things over the years, but so has the federal government, ranging from the Tuskegee syphilis experiment to the internment of Japanese Americans during WW2.

The problem is, the States have the Feds to look over their shoulder, but the Fed doesn't allow anyone to look over their shoulder.

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Christopher

May-14-13 2:35 PM

My point, Darkstar, was that the serious issues this country faces, and they do and they're many, will not be improved upon by old fashioned ideas, and the "States Rights" issue is one of those. Yes, true enough, the states could do some things better. But I trust them less in the area of partisan politics than I do the Feds and that's saying a LOT!

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Dcronlg

May-14-13 2:24 PM

Our democratic republic was never set up to be perfect, nor was it set up to be permanent: it was made to exist and to operate as the citizens see fit, and through their ability to vote to voice the opinion, they can make changes.

The simple truth is that our population is changing, growing and becoming more complex, in a world that is changing, growing and becoming more complex as well.

Either you work with the ongoing enormous changes or you will be pushed aside. I don't know how much further one can be pushed aside than Collins, NY (OK, so maybe Idaho...). Westlund needs to get his collective head out of the early 20th century, because what he believes never existed, and will never exist.

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DarkStar

May-14-13 1:58 PM

Christopher,

Who ever said the states were perfect?

All I said is that it's the states that give power to the federal government, but more and more the federal government seems to believe that the states, and the people in those states, exist so the fed can rule take their money and rule them.

This goes for both parties, the GOP calls for smaller government yet grows the government, the DNC calls for a transparent government and then uses the IRS against those with different views and even go so far as to basically spy on the Associated Press's reporters and editors.

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Christopher

May-14-13 1:08 PM

Of course the states NEVER, EVER abused their authority, did they? Let's see...white's only restaurants and schools, lynching of black people, the bombing of a black church, that never happened, did it? How about environmental laws, you think the individual states would do anything? I could go on and on, but the issue here really isn't states rights, it's corrupt politics. Grandaddy has it right.

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DarkStar

May-14-13 9:55 AM

What most people fail to grasp is that it is the States that allowed the Federal Government to exist, not the other way around, and that is why the Constitution is writen as it is.

The document basically is the states giving the federal government certain powers, of course the Fed has corrupted it beyond belief.

For example, the commerce clause was about making sure commerce between states was not interrupted but sleezy politicians use to to excuse regulating just about anything, including healthcare.

Want to fresh prospective on it check on the video linked below, and the other two parts of it. It's only about 26 minutes for the three parts but it truely lays it out (no it's not some wako conspiracy theorist rant.)

***********youtube****/watch?v=M1P53wMbnsw

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MikeDavis

May-14-13 8:13 AM

Yeah Judeye why bother asking the politicians where they are spending our children's and grand children's money? Obviously they know better than the taxpayer who needs their palm greased, right? You are in serious need of a wake up call as to what these egomaniacs are doing to the country in the name of "fairness to all".

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Grandaddy

May-14-13 8:11 AM

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by an oligarchy. Oligarchy, is government by a few elite, usually the rich for their own advantage.

The US democratic republic began its downfall shortly after the Civil war, during the Gilded Age, with the marriage of government, military and the ever-growing capitalist industrial complex. By the end of WW2 the republic was stone cold dead and in its place the two-party, bread and circus, warrior empire we see today.

American “democracy” today consists of the mega-corporations providing their two chosen representatives, both pro-Zionist, pro-war, multi-millionaire puppets representing the two party con.

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judeye

May-14-13 8:00 AM

"Nowhere in the Constitution does the federal government have a right to say who can or cannot marry whoever."

But the Supreme Court has clearly ruled that it DOES. It is under the Due Process and Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment. Loving vs Virginia.

Just wished that more in our Congress had read this part of our constitution...

"The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

Especially the SHALL NOT BE QUESTIONED part.

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PR24601

May-14-13 7:59 AM

As much as I disagree with runaway government, I won't gripe about it. There's one reason why - I'm not prepared to take the necessary action to stop it. So for all the people on message boards, forums, writing editorials, and sitting around the campfire lamenting the tyranny in Washington, either do something, or shut up about it already.

I agree with everything Mr. Westlund writes in this piece. But writing an OpEd to a population that is going to nod their heads right along with you isn't accomplishing anything. Until the citizens get their crap together and stage a much-needed revolution (not even necessarily violent) then apparently it really just isn't that bad.

So either make hay or get out of the way. Save the hot air for another day.

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commentor

May-14-13 7:27 AM

Well said. Question is just how do we stop it. It seems to be like a runaway train.

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Steiner

May-14-13 7:18 AM

Mr Westlund, the democrats do not believe most of what you wrote. You did not build that is their sacred mantra.They believe that without a govt program nothing we have would have been built.Unfortunately, this flies in the face of history as we got nearly all of our stuff thru private enterprise and inventors. From oil, electricity, radio , chemicals , you name it, private enterprise was there.This became frightening to the democrats and progressives who wanted to adopt feel good laws for social justice nonsense. The progressives, starting with Wilson began to change that. FDR buried the notion of private enterprise with his raw deal. He gave us the great depression. we can call the democrats the pandercrats as that is how they wish to remain in power.

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