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National Grid plan has holes

May 26, 2013

By DOUG STOCK The Dunkirk Area Labor Council writes to clarify the transmission proposal from National Grid that alleges to eliminate any need for the Dunkirk Power Plant after 201....

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May-27-13 1:26 PM

I know one thing is certain when it comes to NRG labor costs. The folks at NRG would be drooling if they could come close to matching the annual salary of a National Grid lineman.

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May-27-13 10:22 AM

"treehuggers" like the SUNY Fredonia Profs who don't worry about the tax base(because they got taxpayer funded jobs and greed there) want Station closed.Go to Climatedepot dot com and get educated.

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May-27-13 9:29 AM

Learned posters,in some areas of the country, the govt in cooperation with the utilities have cut deals with large users of electricity to cut back in peak times. This cuts down on peak demand and the need to build a power plant and emit more greenhouse gases , which as you know could cause the death of the universe.Most of our large users have closed, but there still may be some left. This way, the resident is assured of air conditioning or no blackouts. The leaders go on their merry way , congratulating themselves on how good they handled the crisis. . The users who cut back get a rebate because as Christopher says, they are greedy.

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May-27-13 6:13 AM

marcia, you have a stunning lack of business sense. Please run for office. In right to work states unemployment is lower. In the oil patch boom, around 4 or 5% . Of course they are hastening the end of the world with fracking and hydrocarbons.Golly it is fun to read some of the unlearned comments here. The unlearned seem so sure of themselves.

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May-26-13 8:09 PM

MARCIA - so, you don't see the relationship between high labor costs, excessive taxes and survivorability of a business. WOW! I don't know where to begin.

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May-26-13 1:43 PM

Marcia-you might also want to check out the"hidden taxes"on your bill. See if you can find the gross receipts tax! We pay right at 41% more than the national average for electricity.

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May-26-13 12:59 PM

Phil, I would nothing. NRG agreed to pay taxes in Dunkirk, they have union contracts, they are not the ones proposing closing their plant. Just how would taxes and unions affect this decision by National Grid? You always seem to want to blame unions and taxes, where is the correlation?For National Grid it's all about profits. Check out your electric bill. The cost of transmitting the energy (National Grid's part) has gone way up while the cost of the supply has gone down.

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May-26-13 9:26 AM

hey learned libs, right now for sure, there is 400-600 MW at rest in Niagara Falls. Canadian side upgraded to produce more. The dunkirk harbor froze i heard, so the plant is operating at a lower output. Except for the hottest summer days, the dunkirk plant is not needed. Other plants, hopefully out of state or country ( to help the local teachers unions and budgets)can pick up the slack. Pure and simple. fracking is delayed to make more poor people so cronig can tell us of the money multiplier involved in welfare spending. What am I missing learned libs ! except for the names you always call me. Remember I have touched nearly everyone of you with my chemical magic. cronig, the chemicals are so good, they have a multiplier effect of 500 or almost a 1000 times in the market place. better than govt spending !Call me names libs ! Christopher and cronig, lets hear it ! Let me hear your learned comments , unions and govt all the way !

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May-26-13 9:14 AM

I wonder if this issue really involves emissions or is the actual problem the cost of union labor and excessive property taxes?

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May-26-13 8:49 AM

hey learned libs, the power from canada as an import would be hydro , clean in the liberal eyes. obama wants to bankrupt coal, he said so. Libs hate CO2. My electric bill is 55 bucks a month. Hardly making the power company rich. I spend more on gasoline and oil for heat than electricity. There are thouands like me. Scores of MWs are going off line with business after business closing. learned libs , tell me where i am an idiot here. NYC will call the shots here. Upgrade for a dirty coal burner in NY, you gotta be kidding ! Natural gas boom, thats from fracking , another liberal end of the world scenario. Those libs and unions, mental illness rules them.

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May-26-13 8:39 AM

the learned libs are answering, so smart too. A good chunk of erie county is connected to the tonawanda plant coal burner. Fact. Demand is decreasing as businesses are closing, fact. Import power, that is what California does as they are liberal. Christopher and cronig, the biggest liberals say nothing but names as usual. Hey christopher, how is that teachers union for greed eh ? Union like you , greedy but it is the corporations . Why would any large business stay in NY libs ? the answer is they would not. Drive around and se the significant changes to the grid libs. A shutdown of dunkirk is being prepared for. Cronig perhaps we can tax the power company into staying . Christopher, does not the dunkirk power plant pay a lot of taxes ? who pays that ultimately , how ignorant you libs are.Libs and unions, ignorant as ever, just like in the movie team america ! Its the corpporations corporationing, but they are not people libs .you libs are incapable of any thought.

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May-26-13 8:22 AM

Steinerdzzz...go turn on a light and then unscrew the light bulb. Stuck you tongue into the socket -- feel that buzz? That's electricity! For the privilege of toasting your tongue, you're pay National Grid, who could really care less if you went ahead, stuck other body parts into the socket and fried them as well.

That's Christuufuu's point, you idiot.

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May-26-13 7:53 AM

Steener, you idot, this has nothing to do with Greenhouse Gases, and rules and regulations to limit them. This is a perfect example of that 1% we all hear about, and their total lack of concern for anyone or anything other than increasing their riches. National Grid is NOT a living, breathing entity, it's a COMPANY. The wealthiest stock holders are going to make more money off their proposal, and that's the only thing they're concerned with. You want to know why a proposal was made to buy power from Canada while the Dunkirk plant is in trouble? Follow the money, Steiner.

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May-26-13 7:40 AM

Doug, you gotta talk to Sarah Schwab, all you labor people need is love . remember, NY is open for business now, that means places will be closing. CO2 a problem ? Only to the sloppy thinkers in the democratic party who see the end of the world due to that and other causes. If there was no CO2 , the plants would die, but the libs cant think that deeply. No analytical chemist would ever say CO2 absorbs heat, cuz it does not. Only in the deluded minds of the democrats.So worried about loss of jobs ? thank democrats, unions and regulations. I luv unions . There is a boom in the oil patch, but not in NY. Unemployment is the law now. thanks democrats , unions and regulations. For the end of the world is near !

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