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We’re not ‘getting any bigger’

June 5, 2013

The old adage, “the more things change, the more they stay the same” has never been more true than it is today....

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Captain

Jun-08-13 11:56 AM

Having a natural harbor doesn't necessarily help a local economy grow. Take Barcelona for example, It has a beautiful harbor, too, and it's not a thriving, prosperous area.

Private employment opportunities (JOBS) is what helps local economies grow. JOBS draw and/or keep people in the area, and low taxes, or at least areas that are business-friendly and can provide the resources that private employers need (labor, product transportation options, favorable utility rates, etc) all help attract private sector jobs, AS WELL AS public sector jobs needed to accommodate such growth.

(UN)Fair Free Trade Agreements have had a profoundly negative effect on American workers, costing us hundreds of 000s of jobs, exactly as Ross Perot predicted. In many cases, you can't find an item made in the USA no matter how hard you try.

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PhilJulian

Jun-06-13 9:49 AM

Did anyone notice that when the Titanic went down everyone on board ended up in the water and most were dead? We need to stop this ridiculous mentality of separate and competing communities or we will all end up in the water. With all of it's problems Dunkirk has assets that other commuities would die for. An endless supply of fresh water, a natural harbor, proximity to colleges and Canadian trade, public beaches and a neighborhood school system just to mention a few of the city's assets. United we stand and divided we fall. We should all remember that!

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localresident

Jun-05-13 10:32 PM

Those who would be consolidated should not be part of the consolidation assessment process. Instant recipe for disaster when they are.

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concerned

Jun-05-13 9:01 PM

All the talk and money spent on studies is a total waste the stinkin thinkin in this area will never allow any kind of consolidation until we are forced by state or federal mandates. Even then most will go down kicking screaming and whining all the way!!!

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DarkStar

Jun-05-13 5:04 PM

commentor,

Everything you said is true, but Fredonia looking at it in that manner is VERY shortsighted since Fredonia isn't located in a bubble uneffected by anything around it.

When Dunkirk implodes it will surely have a huge effect on Fredonia as well, and not for the better.

Ms. Westling is correct, although sadly I don't see cities, towns and villages in this county merging without it being mandated by the State.

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DKexpat

Jun-05-13 1:10 PM

Parochialism will make consolidation of services a tough row to hoe. But if communities can get past entrenched interests, labor contracts, posturing and everything else, consolidation would probably benefit to taxpayers. But it’ll take both political courage and taxpayers voting in the right people to make this happen.

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commentor

Jun-05-13 1:06 PM

Considering a Dk/Fred merge there is one more side to this. Dunkirk is by far in worse shape than Fredonia. They have problems with audit and their record keeping. They are going to lose NRG. All the other unknowns that will eventually surface. Given that situation why would Fredonia ever want to merge with Dunkirk. You can try and make the argument that Fredonia has problems not known and maybe they do but they for sure do NOT need Dunkirk for anything. I still think,however,the fire and police could merge and save money.

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localresident

Jun-05-13 12:49 PM

" Yes there is definitely an aspect of preserving the past. There's always an irrational group that just can't accept change."

"Aspect"?! People hold onto the past here like there's no tomorrow. Irrational is just one way of describing it. you could also use selfish, jealous, misguided, and afraid of change. The only way to get anything updated around here is by way of natural disaster, fire/flood, or a relative of someone on the local governing bodies.

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PR24601

Jun-05-13 12:08 PM

A couple issues here

1. Yes there is definitely an aspect of preserving the past. There's always an irrational group that just can't accept change. People who still think Fred and Dunk are one new business away from vibrant revitalization. Sorry - not happening.

2. The other problem, which interviewing the guys in charge doesn't address, is that why are the civic leaders going to voluntarily downsize and put themselves out of jobs? It makes no sense. You need a town board with the guts to make the cuts. Would you lay yourself off from your own job to financially benefit the company? Uhh.. NO.

There should be a hiring freeze. Since no one will make the cuts, let the positions die out due to attrition and retirement. Maybe then, out of necessity, consolidation can commence.

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commentor

Jun-05-13 10:30 AM

Dolce continues to prove how dumb he is. Dunkirk's study is internal. It has nothing to do with consolidating with other communities. If they were serious about consolidation they would all be involved in the study to consolidate. They would all do a study to consolidate fire and police. They won't do anything until they are all facing bankruptcy. The other problem is just consolidating and not changing numbers of firemen and policemen and spending.

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225522

Jun-05-13 9:49 AM

Save this article. Most likely you can print it again in a few years.

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Steiner

Jun-05-13 8:55 AM

hey posters, you forgot to say a vibrant economy with sustainable clean energy and accountablity in govt .

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PhilJulian

Jun-05-13 8:43 AM

(con't) fears and concerns of the protesters while leading our communities into a new era of growth and prosperity. We know what needs to be done. Does anyone out there have the guts to take the lead?

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PhilJulian

Jun-05-13 8:41 AM

This was an outstanding article by Ms. Westling. Government leaders like to talk about strong measures to fix out problems but they lack the guts to take any action. What is it that they fear? Is it losing votes in the next election or is it the strong opposition they would get from public sector unions? What is so important that they would sacrafice the future of our communities at te expense of future generations? Do they care that businesses are closing and jobs are being lost? Do they care that we educate hundreds of our kids from local schools every year only to lose them to areas where there is growth and prosperity? Do they care that our population keeps dropping and our property values are a fraction of the national averages? These are the things that are important but it's going to take guts to make the changes. yes, there will be protests from those who value their personal interests more than the future of the community. With strong leadership we can eliminate the (con't)

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judeye

Jun-05-13 8:26 AM

Excellent points, in a well researched article, Vicki.

Hope they will take action, make real plans to at least start to discuss coordination and consolidation of services. we would all benefit with lower taxes (or money that could be used for other projects) and better services.

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Steiner

Jun-05-13 8:13 AM

vicki, what you describe is called being a preservationist. It is highly prized in this area, something about our heritage. Various endtime scenarios also figure in, whether it be global warming or fracking issues. We have mass mental illness in this area.I see this at least weekly in print or on TV. Unless we institutionalize these people, the activists and democrats, there is no hope for change. we can see why the power plant is on the line for closure. what company would want to deal with mentally defectives in office and just plain activists. One goes somewhere else, where people think clearer. Of course, people like cronig here believe that high taxes are not a problem as someone else is paying the bill, and others are waiting for good paying jobs, even after the stimulus. So read the comment section and you will see your answer. What you question is considered normal behaviour.

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