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August 9, 2013

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Publius

Aug-10-13 12:51 PM

It is always easy to predict what Martha Robertson will be saying and doing on any energy related question. She is emotionally and ideologically determined to block natural gas and energy development. She has worked to keep high paying gas industry jobs out of the southern tier. Meanwhile, too many people live in poverty. Kids who don't have enough to eat. Farmers who are land rich and cash poor. That's where Robertson's energy policies lead. Now, she wants to move her keep out the good jobs policies from left loving Tompkins to the entire southern tier. She would even hurt public education and the kids in Lansing schools by shutting down their biggest tax payer, the energy plant in her own county. Robertson, just too radical for southern and western New York.

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jcorey

Aug-10-13 9:02 AM

Climate scientists and international energy agencies tell us that only a third of the known conventional fossil fuel reserves can be burned if we are to contain global warming to 2 degrees C. Unconventional sources, such as mountain top removal coal and fracked oil/gas, need to stay safely sequestered underground. If our state and country are serious about combatting climate change, we must not substitute one fossil fuel for another. New York and other states have already had successful coal to biomass conversions. Even better would be to replace the energy with wind, solar, water, or geothermal, or cut usage through efficiency gains. Economists tell us that renewable energy creates three times the number of jobs as fossil fuel energy, so it is good for the economy as well as for the environment.

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joew

Aug-09-13 6:15 PM

WilliamR-the point I was making was that 25 years ago the Lakes in the Adirondacks were all "dead" because of acid rain,Lake Erie as a ecosystem was in decline and now the lakes including Erie have made a dramatic comeback. The lakes once again are teeming with fish and wildlife. The regulations back then made sense unlike what we are seeing now. Out of control!

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WilliamR

Aug-09-13 4:56 PM

I am surprised at the reaction to JOEW's comment on acid rain. I believe his point is valid -- scrubbers are helpful. I had better written "the potential for pollution extends far beyond the borders of Dunkirk" without being specific. There are many forms of pollution besides acid rain.

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joew

Aug-09-13 4:47 PM

Yes I have seen the windfarms on a trip last month up and around the Lake Champlain area. If they could provide all of our energy needs that would be great as long as you have no issues with how many birds like eagles get killed. Over a half million last year and increasing. I would think a member of the the Sierra club would be appalled at the slaughter!

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joew

Aug-09-13 4:39 PM

Yes Judeye I did in and around the williamsport area. I saw both before and after the wells were drilled,the areas around the well heads were returned to as they were with the exception being some pipe visible above ground. Have you actually been to any of the drilling sites yourself? Liquid can not run uphill nor defy gravity Judeye. The specialized casings and concrete that prevent the fluids from entering the water tables can not even be seen Judeye. You are painting a picture depicted by the doomsday radicals which you have bought into! I was there,I observed and I saw the water test results from wells within as close to 1000 feet from the wellhead. The test results were from an independent lab in Pittsburgh by the way.

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judeye

Aug-09-13 4:01 PM

joew..you talking about my home state..and yes I talk to people from there all the time.

Did you actually go to a site where they are 'fracking'? did you see how they had to tear up the ground..build a lake for the water..run roads around..haul in cement.

Why mess with the potential to harm the water supply if we do not have to? The only reason why more folks are not on board with green energy is that green energy does not spend millions on lobbyists, making donations to campaigns, and conducting pr campaigns.

Have you seen the wind farms? I was very impressed.

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Augusten

Aug-09-13 3:49 PM

I've had to wonder, too, if Tom Reed has a paid staffer on this paper, or if they just publish whatever his office hands them to publish.

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joew

Aug-09-13 2:17 PM

WilliamR-the acid rain thing went away after the "scrubbers" were put in place. Where have you been?

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joew

Aug-09-13 2:14 PM

Judeye I just returned from a fact finding tour through parts of PA where fracking is occuring. Booming economy,people with money to spend,all the towns,villages where and I stress ALL well kept up,clean, and the water was great. Talked with people who said while they were at first skeptical and worried but are now happy with situation. Not one,not one person had any issues with water being tainted. That was almost 1000 miles of driving and fact finding.How many have you talked with? Yes Judeye I took pictures and recorded conversations.

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solodm

Aug-09-13 2:02 PM

Hmm, I see the ability for clicking "agree" or "disagree" has been stopped? Why is that?

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WilliamR

Aug-09-13 1:54 PM

This isn't just an issue for Dunkirk -- smoke from the stacks will shower acid rain on much of NYS. Nor is there any reason that electric customers throughout NYS should pay more so that citizens of Dunkirk can pay less tax.

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Localone

Aug-09-13 12:20 PM

Look at all the new posters in this topic with a sudden environmentalist edge? Hmmmmm, how about y'all tell us where you're from too? Looking at the PSC site, the greenies are even lazy, they continue to hit and run the PSC website with their form letters that took ZERO thought to create, and in fact were crafted by a biased organization strictly based on an agenda and nothing more. Anyone can copy and paste, but a resident who truly cares about his or her community puts their own thoughts down in a meaningful plea to the commission.

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commentor

Aug-09-13 12:11 PM

Not Reed should be Robertson.

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commentor

Aug-09-13 12:06 PM

Reed screwed up. What do you want them to say. She screwed up. They should let it go and hope everyone forgets about it, not!!

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Dcronlg

Aug-09-13 11:06 AM

If the best comeback from the campaign manager of an incumbent congressman is to partisanly remark about what an opposition party senator didn't say -- when his own boss has said squat about the same issue -- then it validates what political consultant Charlie Cook said about Uncle Fester Reed: he is a seriously weak incumbent.

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freeville

Aug-09-13 8:47 AM

Cornell has been studying biomass for years, especially switchgrass (no, not wood, Mr. Science, but something that might potentially save family farms in the region). Enjoy your pipelines through land taken by eminent domain, and enjoy the ridiculous fees you'll pay to achieve gasification in Dunkirk, as Congressman Reed will enjoy his investments in oil and gas. We will continue to strive for a better way.

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ims2013

Aug-09-13 8:46 AM

So, here's the main thing I took away from this article: are you telling me there's a guy in charge of a congressional campaign, and he has the congressman's entire voting record to work with... and he has countless statements a challenger has made over the last few months about her record and beliefs...and the best thing he could come up with is that one of our state senators, as is always the case, maintained a politically safe position instead of supporting the unique idea of a candidate? Really? That's what he decided to go with? With a campaign manager like that, good luck Congressman. You'll need it.

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judeye

Aug-09-13 8:44 AM

Just returned from Finger Lakes region. We passed several huge wind farms on route.

Yes wind farms right here in western NY.

Someone thinks it is a good investment.

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WilliamR

Aug-09-13 8:34 AM

This issue should be decided on the basis of economics and environmental protection -- the opinions of politicians notwithstanding. The 23rd district faces many issues -- voters may do us all a disservice if their vote is swayed by political posturing around any one issue.

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Steiner

Aug-09-13 8:22 AM

hey solodm, tell us with liberal wisdom, what we are to do by not drilling. How will we power our cars and heat our homes. all you posters keep missing the fact we cannot grow biomas fast enough. So sol, tell us what the hades we are gonna do without hydrocarbons. You libs never say what just empty phrases like bio mass, think out side the box , save the planet. Libs, i say again, tell us what we are going to do . Use wood ? it will run out fast. cronig, judeye, christopher and all the usual libs , please answer for all to see. loberals ?

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solodm

Aug-09-13 8:08 AM

I have owned a business in the Lansing area for 33 years. While it is easy to criticize those who "think out of the box", I welcomed Martha Robertson's suggestion of considering alternative fuel for this plant. The motto "drill baby drill" is too often used as a cure-all for energy demand when seeking to solve today's energy needs. The majority in the Fingerlakes region have made it quite clear with bans and moratoriums that more gas exploration and usage is not welcome. Not sure why this article chose to make it political, when instead the solution should be considered with thoughtful and reasoned cost-effective science.

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Steiner

Aug-09-13 8:02 AM

judeye is using her staggering science insight here. The observer on the payroll of Reed? judeye is reaching here. FACTS she claims. hey fact deprived judeye facts for you ! You missed it as usual. we are already supplying bio mass to europe. We cannot grow biomass fast enough, we were biomass until civil war . Judeye, you are missing this. Fair and balance? The fairness doctrine. You can have any opinion as long as its liberal. Judeye, why is it you always and cointinually miss the obvious facts ? You blame everything on donations. Hey judeye, is electricity so usefull it needs bribes or donations to function ? Or how about petrochem from natural gas ? More bribes needed ? Please get together with cronig and christopher and give us posters the benefit of your staggering insight, science ways and political into the world we live in. Ah, liberals never did get science. women and nobels! Judeye, we dont need a liberal to nanny us, ok with you ?

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hadenough

Aug-09-13 7:56 AM

It is all smoke and mirrors. Of course NRG is going to agree with Schumer after all Schumer can be seen in most every picture with Obama. The decision has already been made. NRG is appeasing the public as a politician would. Get ready for plant closing and higher taxes.

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judeye

Aug-09-13 7:51 AM

Now I will wait for a front page article from the campaign manager for Robertson. Fair and Balance.

This is nothing more than a pure political advertisement..NOT NEWS.

Is the Observer now on the payroll of Rep Reed? This front page..extremely slanted...story sure makes it look that way.

Did this reporter even attempt to contact Robertson's office for a statement or comment?

I agree also with pystew that at least she was thinking outside of the box. Something that NRG themselves did when they were awarded the 10 yr contract to include biomass. Later it appears they discovered that due to their equipment that it would not be economic to do so. Has this paper even looked into that..to determine the FACTS of why the biomass was dropped? Why not do an article on that?

Of course that would require real journalism in reporting and not just writing what some campaign manager asks you to print.

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