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Schools: Sharing plan moves ahead

September 16, 2013

A model arrangement in the south county is worth watching. Last week, Panama schools Superintendent Bert Lictus was approved — in a joint meeting — to hold the same position in the Clymer district....

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StanleyCup

Sep-22-13 10:45 AM

I agree, the pensions are expensive. I wish my job had one!

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DKexpat

Sep-20-13 9:24 PM

Well, "the entity that made the contract" -- 1/2 of that equation is the teachers (union). And 2-3% every year (plus hike in later pension costs) is way out of wack with the private sector.

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StanleyCup

Sep-20-13 11:10 AM

I suppose that is true as long as the contract does not change over that time. We, as a society, get upset at the person making the money, not the entity that made the contract. I know state C.O's who do pretty well and they tell me that they did not set the rate, they simply accepted the job. 2-3% is not huge, but when the base rate is 70, 80,000 or more, 2-3% becomes more substantial. If/when she ever gets there, I will let you know!!

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STUPADASO

Sep-19-13 8:22 AM

stanleycup- you are correct some schools do have a pay freeze for a year or two, but after the freeze is over they get all the money they would have gotten without the pay freeze. so, in the end there really is no savings to the taxpayers it just delays the increase that would have happened.

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StanleyCup

Sep-19-13 7:54 AM

I appreciate the response. Some people can get stubborn and all fired up in these comment sections. At times it makes for fun reading, but ultimately gets old quickly.

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DKexpat

Sep-18-13 6:16 PM

Fair enough, I'll change it to "Mostly all, all the time.". :-)

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StanleyCup

Sep-18-13 7:57 AM

DKexpat - not every school gets a raise every year. Some schools have had "freezes" on the salaries for one or several years. I know, I am married to one of them. It is easy to use, "all", "always" and "never", but that is typically spoken out of emotion, not fact.

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DKexpat

Sep-17-13 3:46 PM

Agree with Captain.

My district is county-wide, and school super earns $239k/year...but that’s for 70,000 students. A lot – a LOT – more districts should do what Panama-Clymer did.

My county is affluent, but district had a three-year wage freeze – teachers, staff, superintendent – in 2008-2011 to keep taxes flat. Contrast THAT thinking with struggling Chau Cty districts where everyone gets 2-3% raises regardless of what shape taxpayers are in and those raises do to school taxes.

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Captain

Sep-16-13 8:40 PM

In other words, Chat Co was paying OVER 10X more in supts' salaries than the city of Buffalo, and we had almost half as many kids.

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Captain

Sep-16-13 8:35 PM

I'm not sure of the exact #'s today, but a couple of years ago, former Buffalo Schools Supt James Williams was earning $275K/yr, but there were 35,000 kids in BPS. In contrast, Chat Co was paying 17 or 18 individual Supts $3.25M collectively, for a county-wide student population of approx 20,000 kids.

...and the question was: can Bert Lictus handle 1,000 kids?

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commentor

Sep-16-13 1:09 PM

Smart move. Here's hoping many more follow suit.

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DKexpat

Sep-16-13 8:33 AM

It's a start...but Chau Cty has much, much further to go with sharing and consolidating services.

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