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Violence: Answers needed in shooting

September 20, 2013

Aaron Alexis, who slaughtered 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday, was a mentally ill man with a grudge against the Navy....

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RipleyResident

Sep-24-13 12:28 PM

One other fact that we are overlooking is that Constitutionally, the federal government has no authority to pass any gun laws. Or, for that matter, health care laws. The SC got that wrong.

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American

Sep-23-13 12:30 PM

Why do people like Marcia and judeye not grasp the concept that a criminal will break the law no matter how many they make saying it is illegal to kill, steal, rape, etc. More laws are not the answer and never will be. Enforce the ones we have and to he77 with being PC about it. I feel no sorrow or sympathy for anyone breaking the law and going to prison. Bring back the death penalty for capitol crimes.

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MikeDavis

Sep-23-13 11:24 AM

So Marcia, you are saying if we make more laws the people breaking the current laws to get weapons will start obeying those new laws, right? Now exactly who doesn't "get it"? Typical, if one law doesn't work let's make six more with slightly different verbage and then the criminals will stop breaking them. Can you grasp the concept of what a criminal is? Or are you too PC to acknowledge there are some people on this planet that just don't give a rip about laws or society?

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Marcia

Sep-23-13 11:15 AM

MikeDavis, why do you refuse to acknowledge the obvious? People bring guns across state lines. Is that so difficult for you to understand? Chicago has strict gun laws, but people bring guns acrtoss state lines. If I keep repeating that will you understand that we need national strict laws to prevent that. Will you stop repeating the same BS because they can get their guns from gun shows that don't require ID's and bring them across state lines. Now do you understand?

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Steiner

Sep-22-13 9:18 AM

Ann Coulters column has numerous cases of mental people getting guns or doing violence. the libs love mental patients. Funny how even after numerous warnings, not one agency did anything . the libs like chrsitopher blame the gun lobby. It is never their beloved govt who goofed up. Even after Ft Hood, boston Bomber and now this. hey christopher and the libs, why should we believe anything your govt says or does ? they and you seem to be the ones in need of mental help, not the gun lobby.who is the champion of the mental people, the liberals thats who. look what they gave us.Mass death.

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Steiner

Sep-22-13 9:14 AM

chridtopher just does not get it. he thinks more laws solve everything. we have laws against murder christopher dont we ? I have not been able to find the answer as to why the first swat team was turned away, other than to make sure more people would get killed. Noone has refuted what i saw on tv about the swat team guys. They want to kill the perp. They know the risk of them getting killed is small. On tv I saw how easy it was to get a black market gun in chicago. Christopher and his penchant for laws think they can stop this. Only the thugs wil have guns.noone refuted dks claims. whattsa matter libs, cant think as usual ?

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MikeDavis

Sep-22-13 9:00 AM

I"m still waiting for Obama to say if he had a son, he could have looked like this guy. And Paul I will yet again attempt to get through to you. The hoops you want law abiding citizens to jump through to aquire and own weapons won't do a D.A.M.N. thing to stop a criminal or whack job from somehow getting their hands on weapons and commiting these despicable acts. What would stop them is an armed citizen who knows how to use his or her weapon. Case in point? The Oregon mall shooting. The guy instantly stopped shooting and put down his weapon when an armed citizen pointed his weapon at him. Why is Chicago, with some of the strictest gun laws in America, the murder capitol of the mid-west? Because of the lack of laws?

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joew

Sep-22-13 8:38 AM

Ya think if the man had been charged for the two incidents involving a handgun he would have been able to purchase the shotgun in Virginia.Bells would have been ringing on the NICS site! We have the laws,enforce them and stop giving people passes for behavior such as he exhibited!

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stangv8

Sep-22-13 8:00 AM

Alexis had a Joe Biden recommended shot gun which he purchased. He was also cleared for and held a secret security clearance. The fact that he held this clearance would have most likely negated any background check. But, don't worry. Soon, they're going to link the VA medical files to the Instant Check database and every GI who ever claimed PTSD will loose their right to purchase firearms.

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Christopher

Sep-22-13 7:35 AM

We need more guns, and easier access, and absolutely no improvements or added restrictions to gun purchases!!! That'll work!! How many gun nuts on these pages were against attempts to change the laws that might have prevented this man from buying a gun!!

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stangv8

Sep-21-13 10:48 AM

Oh yea, missile launch control officers were issued sidearms when manning underground launch facilities. The sole purpose of this was to shoot the other officer if they went crazy and tried to initiate a missile launch.

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stangv8

Sep-21-13 10:44 AM

I was sent to Saudi Arabia three times between 1980-1982 in support of Operation Elf-One. We had very credible threats against us from the Iranians and the DOD’s solution to that was to only allow 10 of us to travel at one time on our bus taking us to work instead of the usually 30. This way, our losses wouldn’t be that high if attacked. It sure made us feel safe and secure. Thing is, until that DOD directive came about in 1993, we weren’t issued arms even under a credible threat. The only time non military police were issued sidearms stateside that I know of was during SAC nuclear generations when certain aircraft maintenance Senior NCO’s were issued 38’s. Even during Desert Storm, our B-52 aircrews flying combat missions weren’t issued sidearms. I love bashing Bill Clinton but only with true facts.

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stangv8

Sep-21-13 10:32 AM

Department of Defense Directive 5210.56 — Army Regulation 190-14, dated 12 March 1993 — permits the Secretary of the Army to authorize military personnel to carry firearms “on a case by case basis” for personal protection within the continental United States, but forbids military personnel to carry their own personal firearms. The regulation requires “a credible and specific threat” before firearms may be issued for military personnel to protect themselves. It further directs that firearms “not be issued indiscriminately for that purpose

Military personnel were never allowed to carry personal firearms on base. This regulation allowed commanders to issue firearms to military (non MP's) if a credible threat existed. By 1992, many sates were issuing CCW permits. Military installations followed state laws in many areas and this needed to be addressed how it would be handled. HW Bush issued the first directives concerning this which were later followed up by DOD Directives.

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Steiner

Sep-21-13 9:34 AM

this is for the libs and especially the gals. A female trauma surgeon, either in DC or chicago erupted into conversion disorder. This was just after a mass shooting. She said she wanted her job made absolete by stopping the gun violence ! just like that ! I could see no rational way this was to be done and of course she never said any. the press latched on to this. It reminded me of cronigs and judeyes responses, cronig for his rhetoric which says acually nothing and judeye for her stop the violence nonsense. No thought given as to why these things happen, except maybe blame the inanimate object the gun.Like co2 for climate change. the libs are listening to their microwave ovens again.

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Steiner

Sep-21-13 8:37 AM

hey captain, it was obamas fault. The bases are gun free zones. just like the public schools. It is like putting a hit me sign on oneself. Obama could fix this in a second. It is time to grasp the fact that the libs want more shootings so they can enact more gun control laws. Why else would the first swat team be turned away . Another was 30 minutes later. libs, you cherry pick and deny the facts . After watching numerous PBS specials on swat teams and the military, there are for sure men that will rush into a situation like this. They have good body armor on. There are many of them. It would take a lucky shot to kill them . They know their buddies will respond in a second or less.yet they were turned away. an obvious case of mental illness not reported to authorities The libs identify with the shooter. How, they hear voices too! climate change, greed. Like on BBC interview with govt official, why should anyone believe anything you say after this and Ft Hood ?Cuz its the govt !

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Steiner

Sep-21-13 8:25 AM

cronig and judeye are wrong as usual. Dk has it correct. The shooter was on drugs known to precipitate violence.why was the first swat team turned away for 30 minutes. Canadas population is smaller than ours. Cronig is wrong at every turn. Judeye wont condemn a mental patient for anything. that harks back to the 60's when the libs let the nutcases loose on society. Judeye in a snap condemns all legal gun owners by wanting more control. judeye believes that criminals will follow gun laws. Obviously they dont. Hey libs, the shooter was a nutcase, you would not have reported him, he worked for your sacred govt , it was a gun free zone . Look what happened.yet you mock common senese. i can only guess your minds are so far gone as to be beyond hope.

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joew

Sep-20-13 6:14 PM

Judeye the signs were all there! Three arrests,no charges,and visits to the VA because of "voices in his head"! DOD blew it and I really don't care who what or when allowed some fly by night vetting agency to give this man a avenue to a security clearance. Twelve people died because a very big ball got dropped!

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joew

Sep-20-13 2:19 PM

The bottom line is that the man should never,never been granted a security clearance!

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Captain

Sep-20-13 2:12 PM

OBSERVER: Go ahead and blame Obama for this, too. Just add it to "the list."

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judeye

Sep-20-13 12:46 PM

It is extremely difficult for any mental health professional to determine which of the clients may become violent, and which will not. We would not want ALL people who have sought mental health help to be lumped together. I bet most on this site would not even want those who have sought such treatment to be barred from purchasing a weapon.

Wished we had a way to tell who is going to "snap" and who is not. I do not blame anyone or any agency.

Now that info that DK just cited...that does concern me greatly. Medications can contribute greatly to psychosis. (and drug addiction) How was he able to refill such a powerful medication in such a short time? Maybe more control over prescription drugs would help reduce incidents of violence.

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Donnar

Sep-20-13 12:43 PM

Atta girl Dcronandonandon, make it up as you go along- no one is paying attention. Unreal.

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DKexpat

Sep-20-13 11:34 AM

No excuse for what this guy did, but which drug company helped him kill those people? The VA in Providence prescribed Trazodone on 8/23; he refilled it in DC on 8/28. Although common as a sleeping aid, Trazodone side effects are factors for violence, and those with a known history like Alexis are at even higher risk of being driven to more extreme violence.

The FDA’s ‘black box warning’ for the drug states it can cause “agitation, irritability, hostility and aggressiveness” and warns about patients “acting aggressive, being angry or violent “and “acting on dangerous impulses.”

The FDA’s MedWatch system notes between 2004-2012 there were 14,656 reports of psychiatric drugs causing violent side effects: (1) 1,415 cases of homicidal ideation/homicide, (2) 3,287 cases of mania, and (3) 8,219 cases of aggression. At least 31 school shootings or school acts of violence have been committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs – with 162 wounded and 72 killed.

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MikeDavis

Sep-20-13 11:03 AM

The last question was rhetorical troll, your many posts prove time and again you want a nanny state.

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MikeDavis

Sep-20-13 11:02 AM

Approx 35 million people in Canada and you say they are equal in size? I finally understand your failures to grasp logic troll...your brain is functioning at ten percent of the average humans and you think you are on equal footing mentally. Go away while the adults talk. The answer is to allow people to defend themselves where ever they are...period. Gun free zones may as well be renamed to slaughter zones for the nuts and criminals. No one has to open carry, the idea is if the criminals think there are armed, law abiding citizens, in the area they will be less likely to start something in that area. Can your little mind grasp that concept or do you need a baby sitter?

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CKP5600

Sep-20-13 10:46 AM

Dcronlg seems to have it wrong my quick internet search reveled that canada has only a third of the guns per capita as the united states.

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