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Violence: Answers needed in shooting

September 20, 2013

Aaron Alexis, who slaughtered 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday, was a mentally ill man with a grudge against the Navy....

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ProudToBeUnAmerican

Sep-20-13 5:57 AM

The answer is simple - too much liberalism in America. Eliminate the liberals, not our guns!

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Steiner

Sep-20-13 8:07 AM

the first swat team on the scene was turned away from helping ! Yes .I have heard no explanation on this. This gave the shooter extra time to kill people. The govt learned nothing after ft hood. Noone reported up the chain of command the shooters mental difficulties, prefering to target tea partiers and the gun lobby. Mental help hard to get ? The libs in the 60's mainlined the institutioned mental people and produced miranda warnings to help criminals. At every step, liberals have been pro crime and anti gun.Now they say we need mental help more easily available and gun control. It us the libs who are mentally ill folks. The havoc they made on society is proof.

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joew

Sep-20-13 8:39 AM

USIS(a civilian contractor)dropped the ball big time! DIS used to do all the background checks for security checks up until 1999. There are no longer "boots on the ground"in communities as was the case in days gone by. Major mistake! That's how stuff like what this man did turn up! I also believe Officers in grade 03 and above and senior NCO's,E7 and above should be allowed sidearms in the work place. If memory serves me correctly I think that was done away with in the George W.W. Bush administration.

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joew

Sep-20-13 8:41 AM

H.W.

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Steiner

Sep-20-13 8:59 AM

hey joew, i searched and found it was bill clinton who made it illegal to carry sidearms on a base. this in 1993. So a shooter walking into box retailer in the south somewhere has more of a chance to get shot than at a military base. I see in alabama it is legal to carry guns in the open.You see joew, in 1993 peace was breaking out all over the world with the breakup of the USSR or so the libs thought. the libs, believe, believe with all their minds in myths.The shooters behaviour became more erratic as the shooting drew nearer. yet noone who knew said anything.hearing voices ? thats normal to a lib. they hear, ban fracking, climate change, beyond carbon all the time in their heads. maybe thats why noone took the mental illness seriously. posters, are any of you hearing voices from your microwave oven ?

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Steiner

Sep-20-13 9:35 AM

hey libs, how many more shootings in a gun free zone are we supposed to tolerate before people are allowed to carry concealed weapons ? I have not heard obama say that if he had a soon, it would look like the shooter.

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Dcronlg

Sep-20-13 9:38 AM

The complexities of mental illness with gun ownership -- from definitions of "mental illness", to profiling without harming all the other Constitutional rights, to operationalizing such a system nationwide at all possible points of gun ownership to the annual ongoing nationwide costs of doing ALL of this to paying for all of this -- is notably absent from the gun-fringe.

Their simple paranoid, delusional minds have no idea.

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Dcronlg

Sep-20-13 9:43 AM

Steinerdzzz...how is that Canada -- a nation as large as ours, with vast frontiers greater than ours, with as many guns per capita as we do, with policies more liberal than ours -- hardly has any mass shootings or gun related homicides as we do?

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CKP5600

Sep-20-13 10:46 AM

Dcronlg seems to have it wrong my quick internet search reveled that canada has only a third of the guns per capita as the united states.

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MikeDavis

Sep-20-13 11:02 AM

Approx 35 million people in Canada and you say they are equal in size? I finally understand your failures to grasp logic troll...your brain is functioning at ten percent of the average humans and you think you are on equal footing mentally. Go away while the adults talk. The answer is to allow people to defend themselves where ever they are...period. Gun free zones may as well be renamed to slaughter zones for the nuts and criminals. No one has to open carry, the idea is if the criminals think there are armed, law abiding citizens, in the area they will be less likely to start something in that area. Can your little mind grasp that concept or do you need a baby sitter?

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MikeDavis

Sep-20-13 11:03 AM

The last question was rhetorical troll, your many posts prove time and again you want a nanny state.

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DKexpat

Sep-20-13 11:34 AM

No excuse for what this guy did, but which drug company helped him kill those people? The VA in Providence prescribed Trazodone on 8/23; he refilled it in DC on 8/28. Although common as a sleeping aid, Trazodone side effects are factors for violence, and those with a known history like Alexis are at even higher risk of being driven to more extreme violence.

The FDA’s ‘black box warning’ for the drug states it can cause “agitation, irritability, hostility and aggressiveness” and warns about patients “acting aggressive, being angry or violent “and “acting on dangerous impulses.”

The FDA’s MedWatch system notes between 2004-2012 there were 14,656 reports of psychiatric drugs causing violent side effects: (1) 1,415 cases of homicidal ideation/homicide, (2) 3,287 cases of mania, and (3) 8,219 cases of aggression. At least 31 school shootings or school acts of violence have been committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs – with 162 wounded and 72 killed.

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Donnar

Sep-20-13 12:43 PM

Atta girl Dcronandonandon, make it up as you go along- no one is paying attention. Unreal.

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judeye

Sep-20-13 12:46 PM

It is extremely difficult for any mental health professional to determine which of the clients may become violent, and which will not. We would not want ALL people who have sought mental health help to be lumped together. I bet most on this site would not even want those who have sought such treatment to be barred from purchasing a weapon.

Wished we had a way to tell who is going to "snap" and who is not. I do not blame anyone or any agency.

Now that info that DK just cited...that does concern me greatly. Medications can contribute greatly to psychosis. (and drug addiction) How was he able to refill such a powerful medication in such a short time? Maybe more control over prescription drugs would help reduce incidents of violence.

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Captain

Sep-20-13 2:12 PM

OBSERVER: Go ahead and blame Obama for this, too. Just add it to "the list."

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joew

Sep-20-13 2:19 PM

The bottom line is that the man should never,never been granted a security clearance!

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joew

Sep-20-13 6:14 PM

Judeye the signs were all there! Three arrests,no charges,and visits to the VA because of "voices in his head"! DOD blew it and I really don't care who what or when allowed some fly by night vetting agency to give this man a avenue to a security clearance. Twelve people died because a very big ball got dropped!

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Steiner

Sep-21-13 8:25 AM

cronig and judeye are wrong as usual. Dk has it correct. The shooter was on drugs known to precipitate violence.why was the first swat team turned away for 30 minutes. Canadas population is smaller than ours. Cronig is wrong at every turn. Judeye wont condemn a mental patient for anything. that harks back to the 60's when the libs let the nutcases loose on society. Judeye in a snap condemns all legal gun owners by wanting more control. judeye believes that criminals will follow gun laws. Obviously they dont. Hey libs, the shooter was a nutcase, you would not have reported him, he worked for your sacred govt , it was a gun free zone . Look what happened.yet you mock common senese. i can only guess your minds are so far gone as to be beyond hope.

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Steiner

Sep-21-13 8:37 AM

hey captain, it was obamas fault. The bases are gun free zones. just like the public schools. It is like putting a hit me sign on oneself. Obama could fix this in a second. It is time to grasp the fact that the libs want more shootings so they can enact more gun control laws. Why else would the first swat team be turned away . Another was 30 minutes later. libs, you cherry pick and deny the facts . After watching numerous PBS specials on swat teams and the military, there are for sure men that will rush into a situation like this. They have good body armor on. There are many of them. It would take a lucky shot to kill them . They know their buddies will respond in a second or less.yet they were turned away. an obvious case of mental illness not reported to authorities The libs identify with the shooter. How, they hear voices too! climate change, greed. Like on BBC interview with govt official, why should anyone believe anything you say after this and Ft Hood ?Cuz its the govt !

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Steiner

Sep-21-13 9:34 AM

this is for the libs and especially the gals. A female trauma surgeon, either in DC or chicago erupted into conversion disorder. This was just after a mass shooting. She said she wanted her job made absolete by stopping the gun violence ! just like that ! I could see no rational way this was to be done and of course she never said any. the press latched on to this. It reminded me of cronigs and judeyes responses, cronig for his rhetoric which says acually nothing and judeye for her stop the violence nonsense. No thought given as to why these things happen, except maybe blame the inanimate object the gun.Like co2 for climate change. the libs are listening to their microwave ovens again.

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stangv8

Sep-21-13 10:32 AM

Department of Defense Directive 5210.56 — Army Regulation 190-14, dated 12 March 1993 — permits the Secretary of the Army to authorize military personnel to carry firearms “on a case by case basis” for personal protection within the continental United States, but forbids military personnel to carry their own personal firearms. The regulation requires “a credible and specific threat” before firearms may be issued for military personnel to protect themselves. It further directs that firearms “not be issued indiscriminately for that purpose

Military personnel were never allowed to carry personal firearms on base. This regulation allowed commanders to issue firearms to military (non MP's) if a credible threat existed. By 1992, many sates were issuing CCW permits. Military installations followed state laws in many areas and this needed to be addressed how it would be handled. HW Bush issued the first directives concerning this which were later followed up by DOD Directives.

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stangv8

Sep-21-13 10:44 AM

I was sent to Saudi Arabia three times between 1980-1982 in support of Operation Elf-One. We had very credible threats against us from the Iranians and the DOD’s solution to that was to only allow 10 of us to travel at one time on our bus taking us to work instead of the usually 30. This way, our losses wouldn’t be that high if attacked. It sure made us feel safe and secure. Thing is, until that DOD directive came about in 1993, we weren’t issued arms even under a credible threat. The only time non military police were issued sidearms stateside that I know of was during SAC nuclear generations when certain aircraft maintenance Senior NCO’s were issued 38’s. Even during Desert Storm, our B-52 aircrews flying combat missions weren’t issued sidearms. I love bashing Bill Clinton but only with true facts.

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stangv8

Sep-21-13 10:48 AM

Oh yea, missile launch control officers were issued sidearms when manning underground launch facilities. The sole purpose of this was to shoot the other officer if they went crazy and tried to initiate a missile launch.

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Christopher

Sep-22-13 7:35 AM

We need more guns, and easier access, and absolutely no improvements or added restrictions to gun purchases!!! That'll work!! How many gun nuts on these pages were against attempts to change the laws that might have prevented this man from buying a gun!!

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stangv8

Sep-22-13 8:00 AM

Alexis had a Joe Biden recommended shot gun which he purchased. He was also cleared for and held a secret security clearance. The fact that he held this clearance would have most likely negated any background check. But, don't worry. Soon, they're going to link the VA medical files to the Instant Check database and every GI who ever claimed PTSD will loose their right to purchase firearms.

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