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Republicans unable to reason

October 9, 2013

Who’s in charge? We have people out of work, parks and national monuments closed, government employees being furloughed, and Congress at odds over who is right and who is wrong when it comes to......

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baseball

Oct-09-13 1:46 AM

Oh god, get your head out of the liar obamas back side and see the real world! The Dems have sent this Country down hill! For what its worth, things were never this bad when Bush was in office. obama has divided this Country like no other President has! obama is the Biggest joke ever played on the American public!

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Christopher

Oct-09-13 6:23 AM

John Boner (Yes, BONER) is the epitome of everything wrong in Congress.

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judeye

Oct-09-13 7:04 AM

Excellent article!!! Right on all the facts. Most old school Republicans are calling on the HOUSE to pass a clean CR. That is a budget without all the strings attached. In fact a budget has been passed. A budget that many progressives, including myself, disagree with as cutting too much out of programs for the people. Yet it did pass both Houses of Congress.

The shut down is over a law, the Affordable Care Act, emphasis on LAW.

In the USA we have legal ways to change laws we do not agree with. They can include repeals, amendments and even Constitutional amendments. One of the ways is NOT to shut down our government, like refusing to give up the ball in the middle of a game because your team is not winning.

The only part of the article I disagree with is regarding Rep Reed. His name is NOT on the list of GOP representatives who would vote in favor of a clean CR if only the Speaker would permit it to come to the floor. (yes it would pass)

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judeye

Oct-09-13 7:12 AM

Rep Reed's name is however on the list of House reps who could lose their seats due to their unmoving votes to continue the shut down. The poll indicated that the majority of people in his district are against the shut down and would not vote for him in the next election if he continues to vote for the shut down.

Everyone should call Rep Reed office today and tell him we want a vote on a clean CR. We will watch how he votes.

SHAME SHAME SHAME... Shut down denies death and burial money to the fallen soldiers' families. They gave the ultimate sacrifice for our Country..and are denied the money needed to bury them. OUTRAGEOUS

End the shut down TODAY. People demand a vote on a clean CR..We will see where our Rep stands when the vote is taken.

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stangv8

Oct-09-13 7:41 AM

The reason the country is in a mess and spending is out of control is because of Republicans like the author. Their willingness to compromise has basically made them the floor mats of tax and spend Democrats. When you’re told to listen to the likes of McCain and Schumer, you know that person is no Conservative. We finally got a couple people in Washington who are actually listening to their constituents and the country club Republicans are gnashing their teeth because of it.

This article perfectly illustrates what has taken place in America and has brought her down. The willingness to compromise with the mentality that the money will always be there to ensure I get mine

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DKexpat

Oct-09-13 8:28 AM

Term limits . . . TERM LIMITS!

12 years: two terms as senator or six terms as representative. Then GO HOME!

We don’t need “professional politicians” – but we do need some adult behavior in Congress that is not beholden to special interests or demagogues on either side of the fence.

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Marcia

Oct-09-13 8:43 AM

You are right on this one Vic,ki. We need Republicans who are willing to govern not tear down our country. I'm wondering when the moderate Republicans will take back their party from the radicals. The only thing you're wrong about is representative Reed who has voted to shutdown the government. He is not showing himself to be the moderate he pretends to be.

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DarkStar

Oct-09-13 8:44 AM

As a proud member of the "vast right wing conspiracy" I agree with the GOP demands that Obama shouldn't be able to be hand out exemption from laws, especially those he is forcing on the country. If some need to be exempted for a year then everyone should be. It's got to be all or nothing.

Now as for the debt ceiling, think it should be separate from the budget process. Thus if Congress decides to spend at a rate that results in a $1.5T deficit then they in effect have agrees to increase the credit line to cover those expenses, or am I missing something?

For two long Congress, on both sides of the aisle have passed the blame for Federal spending and the state of the country on this or that President, but they serve 8 years at most while there are many members of Congress who have been writing budgets and setting policy for four or more decades so who really should take the lions share of the blame?

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AnnetteVickAsbill

Oct-09-13 8:49 AM

Steiner, you are sick, and it's not just your small intestines - small brain, small heart - big fart.

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GStephens

Oct-09-13 9:18 AM

Steiner you are a little, little man. Your misogynistic mentality shows every week. Had your mother known what a little******you would become, I bet she would have aborted you.

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GStephens

Oct-09-13 9:22 AM

Now as a Disabled Veteran, come the end of the month my benefits will stop. Meaning the little bit of check I get that has helped my family since 1988 make ends meet with stop. It is time that the US Government put down their politics and re-open the government. Enough Already!!!

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PhilJulian

Oct-09-13 9:22 AM

This would be a simple problem if The Affordable Care Act had the support of the majority of Americans. I do not believe the support is there and the individual mandate will never work. What we are seeing is two political parties that are controlled by extreme elements and neither party is serious about compromise. They are not worried about re-election because they know that with enough special interest money they can buy their way back into office. I remain convinced that the best long term solution is to drop your affiliation with either major party and become an independent voter. The two party system as it exists today is not functional. They are controlled by big business, labor unions and other special interests and no one is representing main stream America.

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Marcia

Oct-09-13 9:40 AM

Phil Julian, what the conservatives fail (conveniently) to remember is that the ACA is the compromise. Democrats wanted a single payer coverage option, medicare for all, or something closer to universal coverage. The compromise was the idea set forth by the conservative Heritage Foundation and the republicans during the Clinton administration, and the plan signed by the republican governor of Mass. The republicans know the ACA will be better than what we have now, and as people realize it they will lose the argument, which is why they are willing to ruin our economy to stop it. Yes polls show people don't like it, due to the misinformation bombarding them from the right. When they are told what it includes, most like it. Why is the right so up in arms, when it only applies to 15% of people? It doesn't even apply to everyone covered by their employers (including Congress) no exemption needed.

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DarkStar

Oct-09-13 9:43 AM

Phil,

I don't disagree, but a third party needs a viable candidates, instead of just spoilers, and until they do it will continue to be a fringe movement.

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Keddie

Oct-09-13 10:58 AM

Baseball - your comment is dead on! Bush may not have been the ideal president but - Obama is the worst in my life and that covers Democrat and Republican. He has and continues to tear down this country. His BS promises to the middle class, minorities that elected him, inability to face confrontations, no leadership skills are killing America Time to put on his big boy panties and actually work with both parties to benefit all Americans!

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commentor

Oct-09-13 11:25 AM

Obama definitely the worst thing to happen to this Country. Is ACA a good thing NO but I don't think the govt should be shut down over it. It will fail on it's own. John Boner a cry baby idiot. Term limits are absolutely necessary.

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American

Oct-09-13 11:50 AM

Agree instigator. Especially those in the Senate and their leader.

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Dcronlg

Oct-09-13 12:25 PM

Ms Vicki -- I've been hard on you and your views in the past. I'm fiercely partisan myself, and I have zero issue swinging back and swinging hard, but I'm also pragmatic when it comes to solving our highly complex and dynamic problems.

I've also been fair and have admitted support when my opponents make sound, reasonable arguments (very, very rare I assure you). Kudos to you for writing this piece and for your courage to admit when you were wrong -- it takes guts and anyone worth their mettle should acknowledge/appreciate it.

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joew

Oct-09-13 12:26 PM

The bottom line is this-we had 5 shutdowns during the Carter years,we had 8 shutdowns during the Regan years and all were resolved with leadership!(all of those with democratic congress) Pointing the finger at any one person during the current shutdown only serves to exacerbate the problem. We do not have a leader,we have a experienced community organizer unlike days gone bye!!!!!!!! When President Clinton sat down(what a concept) with Speaker Gingrich the problem was solved!

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RipleyResident

Oct-09-13 12:29 PM

Obamacare is unconstitutional, regardless of what the supreme court decided. The constitution does not give the federal government enumerated power over healthcare. Our federal government continues to assert itself far beyond what was ever intended.

Why does compromise always mean do what the liberals want?

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Dcronlg

Oct-09-13 12:31 PM

We have term limits: every two, four and six years -- its called elections.

We also have a Constitution with its 14th amendment which states: "The validity of the public debt of the United States shall not be questioned."

Only Congress can approve any spending; Obama can't. Only Congress approved our current spending which now needs to be paid, according to term. The debt limit has to be raised to pay these valid bills. The 14th amendment is very, very clear: America's federally elected officials have make good on the country's debts.

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robert

Oct-09-13 12:42 PM

I love how Stan calls them "tax and spend Dems" same old same old. How soon they forget what got us into this problem. A republican President that spent more and at the same time cut taxes!! yikes...talk about stupid

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robert

Oct-09-13 12:47 PM

"inability to face confrontations, no leadership skills are killing America Time to put on his big boy panties and actually work with both parties to benefit all Americans!" what a joke!!! He faces confrontation everyday from the obstructionist party of NO. there has never been a President before that had to put up with the nonsense that this president has had to. the right only wants him to fail, that is their entire agenda. This is why they are so upset with the ACA. They are terrified that it will be a success.

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robert

Oct-09-13 12:51 PM

so when the right agrees with a law and its constitutional its fine. when they don't agree with a law and a conservative supreme court still says its constitutional they have a fit. This constitution is a funny document, when it supports Dems it is wrong. When it supports the right it is beyond question.

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Abomination

Oct-09-13 1:02 PM

The problem is that our beloved President chooses which laws he would like to follow and enforce. He doesn't follow the ACA as it was ruled on, he doesn't follow immigration laws, he chose not to defend DOMA, etc. Once he follows the law of the land, instead of acting like a dictator and interpreting them as he chooses, then he can talk.

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