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Endorsement: No sure odds with casino

October 30, 2013

There are six propositions on the ballot for Tuesday’s election, but only one generating statewide debate....

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joew

Oct-31-13 6:47 PM

The Saturn badge yes,not the plant. Currently right about 2000 people are employed-Economic Impact: Wages: $104.9 million Payroll Taxes: $19 million Property Taxes: $1.7 million

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HaveANiceDay

Oct-31-13 1:58 PM

uhm, Didn't saturn go out of business??

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HaveANiceDay

Oct-31-13 1:57 PM

I say build it so we can recover some of our welfare money!!!

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joew

Oct-31-13 7:46 AM

You are correct Nathan,the current population is 61K but I must point out was 51K in the nineties. Now if you use the 3 hour drive time criteria I submit there is a lot of populace out there. A lot of the business is because of the interstate traffic,truckers,RV's,and just plain travelers. If we had the vision and the drive to see it through,it could and would work. I suspect however that the naysayers will continue to say it won't work,just as what happened with the Saturn plant that sure would be nice to have around now.

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Nathan

Oct-30-13 7:46 PM

Bossier City has a population of 61K and also happens to be a sister city of Shreveport. It was already growing and is a three hour destination drive from Dallas. Of course the casino did okay. Who are you going to attract? People from Pennsyltucky?

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concerned

Oct-30-13 7:45 PM

I would be in favor of this if I thought it would lower taxes but it would become just another piggy bank for politicians to spend frivolously.

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cruisin

Oct-30-13 5:47 PM

Las Vegas has got to be one of the most boring vacation spots on the planet. The only winners are the casino owners who are laughing all the way to the bank.

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HVANCDY

Oct-30-13 4:13 PM

Facts are Facts - Casinos did not cause the rust and decay or the poverty in Dunkirk . Casinos are not the blame for the conditions of South Buffalo or Niagara Falls. Casinos are not forcing the Canadians to come to the USA to gamble. I LOVE NY . ps: Support NY SAFE ACT !

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PhilJulian

Oct-30-13 3:19 PM

*** is route 5.

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PhilJulian

Oct-30-13 3:17 PM

When the former owner of the Clarion Hotel wanted to add a casino on the adjacent property he promised 2,000 jobs with a payroll of $1 million per week. The existing hotel would have doubled in size and the casino built next door. All the land between *** and the tracks from Central Ave. to Main Street would have been cleared for spin off businesses and parking. The project was "shot down" by city leaders because they feared crime and prostitution. When I researched the subject I found that new casinos in Windsor, Ont., Elgin, Ill. Biloxi, Miss. and Foxboro, Mass. experienced little or no increase in crime and prostitution. So, there are the facts. Can you imagine what 2,000 new jobs would have done for the city of Dunkirk? Apparently it's OK to spend $100 per week on lottery tickets, offtrack betting or trips to casinos in other areas but don't even think about building one in New York State unless it's owned by the indians. There is no shortage of ignorance in New York St

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joew

Oct-30-13 1:42 PM

Why is you people will not look into how well Bossier City did with competent leadership,you,all of you can see how well it did,as Judeye ALWAYS says,look it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PR24601

Oct-30-13 1:33 PM

joew, to me, Vegas seems like an aberration. It's the only casino-heavy destination spot in America where growth of non-casino ventures is present or sustained.

One thing's a given here.. if the casinos are state-run by this state, NYS, they are bound to fail!

Regarding pacts and treaties and all this BS, technically only the federal government has the right to engage in treaties with "nations". The Native Americans were conquered, get over it. It isn't the first time in history a people were conquered and it won't be the last. They aren't a "nation" no matter what words you put on it. If they want to be a "nation" then I say cut them off.. completely. Let them build their own infrastructure and do it on their own. Then build all the casinos they want, set rules, tax us to drive there, whatever - but they aren't a sovereign nation stop fooling yourselves.

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commentor

Oct-30-13 12:55 PM

We already have the slums so why not have the casinos? The Indians are making millions from them so why not us. The only problem will be that the more money the state has to spend the more they will spend and it will solve nothing. I noticed no one mentioned Turning Stone. I think there was a lot of development there.

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jo1952

Oct-30-13 12:49 PM

We should also consider the fact that the state signed a contract with the native tribes to not compete with the casinos they built. Yet another lie to the indigenous population of our area. Add to that the lie that the money will go to education. Rather like the lottery lie. The more money that comes from the lottery, the lass the state spends. I vote no.

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1Laona

Oct-30-13 12:24 PM

This is the worst of the 6 Amendments to the "Constitution of New York State".They show you a paragraph to sum them up but there are hundreds of pages you don't see.These change the Constitution and shouldn't be voted on in this manner.We should have the FULL text and it should be discussed before it's put on a ballot.ALL six should get a NO vote.

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Christopher

Oct-30-13 12:13 PM

Joew, Atlantic City? NOT a bastion of development. It is a series of Casino's surrounded by slums.

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DarkStar

Oct-30-13 11:31 AM

joew,

I also would have to ask, when were they built and how many surrounding areas had casinos before those you are talking about, and is there anything else in that area to draw people in?

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joew

Oct-30-13 10:24 AM

PR24601 all the casinos you mention were built and are run by whom? The ones I mention are the big boys from Vegas,big difference and I can assure you that the development in Bossier City expanded way way beyond the casino sites. The difference was the people who negotiated the contracts with the casinos.

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PR24601

Oct-30-13 9:48 AM

Casinos are not the answer. They do not spur growth and development. Anything that could be built, they build, and keep the customer within their doors.

Look at Turning Stone, without a doubt the largest and nicest gambling option upstate. There has been NO growth in Verona, Utica, Rome, New Hartford, or Oneida. And certainly non that could be attributed to the casino. TS has built restaurants, hotels, and golf courses, and everything is casino-owned and housed.

NF and Salamanca are still dumpy areas, and I suspect nothing will come of the Buffalo Creek conversion either. And in Irving, I didn't even know there was a casino, let alone any development, until about 3 years ago.

WNY casinos are not "destinations".. they are money-pits for the grey-haired cigarette toting, stale wine drinking crowd. NF, ON is a destination.

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Dcronlg

Oct-30-13 9:20 AM

What the h e l l? Steinerdzzz, self-admitting he watches PBS, that liberal bastion of network TV supported by liberal Corporation for Public broadcasting???

My, my, my -- his liberalism has no end, does it? First, he uses all sorts of Democratic liberalism from safe food and drugs, weekends, paid vacations, insured bank deposits, regulated utilities, consumer protection laws, minimum wages, to public education, state colleges, to collecting Social Security and Medicare -- and now he's an ardent PBSer???

And yet he routinely, diligently, religiously bashes liberal and liberalism...

His hypocrisy is along the lines of an SS commandant who is really a closet Jew -- the self-loathing is palatable and he obviously can't help himself -- but increasingly, he has zero credibility with his anti-liberal rantings,

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joew

Oct-30-13 8:55 AM

I disagree with the notion that casinos can not spur development. It is all about how they the taxes and fees are negotiated. I point specifically to Bossier City LA as a prime example of how that point can be argued. Prior to the introduction of the casinos the city was in decline,now it is booming,the City has a huge "rainy day" fund,a huge new regional high school,and the water front along the Red River is a place of beauty. All of that and much more accomplished with revenue from the casinos. I know because I lived there and saw the transformation. I can also tell you that my taxes on a 200K home we had built in a gated community were 500 dollars a year,my electric bill was less than 80 dollars a month even running the AC 24/7.

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Nathan

Oct-30-13 8:52 AM

Let's face it, the reality is that the Casino will be a day trip for most people "interested" in gambling. You can not have gambling in every town and think it will attract the crowds. This isn't a Waffle House... where a southern Waffle House on every corner can still survive. Consider Vegas and then compare it to Reno... night and day folks.

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Steiner

Oct-30-13 8:18 AM

we can learn from an analogy from War of the worlds, PBS special. Leading thinkers of the day lamented that americans were so stupid as to fall for a radio play.They wanted those amercicans sterilized and disenfranchised for such stupidity. our stupid democratic leader, cuomo, is not thinking here.he wants the money . he is addicted to liberal tax and spend. A better approach would be to allow fracking and then build a natural gas to liquids plant. i am not talking refrigeration for liquifying, but chemicaly reacting the natutal gas to liquids like gasoline and heating oil.We would then have a local supply of hydrocarbons. Something not seen since std oil days. Of course the libs would be out in force saying end of the world ! end of fresh water ! you know the same stupid people who believed war of the worlds radio play !those libs, eternal stupidity.

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DarkStar

Oct-30-13 8:10 AM

Once again NYS has a Cuomo is charge in Albany that think casinos are the cure for all our ills, many of which are the result of Cuomo & Son's own policies.

Not only do casinos come with their own problems, as the article and Christopher point out, but we have to be at the point of diminishing returns as not only are their already casinos in the state, but there are also casinos in surrounding states and in Canada, so where are the "new" gamblers going to come from?

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HVANCDY

Oct-30-13 6:35 AM

The Casinos are some of Will Poultry Co. best customers in NY.- And unlike many other customers they pay on time, Now that's a winner !

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