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Slim margins and the Home

November 3, 2013

Never let it be said your vote doesn’t matter. Look at Wednesday’s 16-9 failed vote to sell the Chautauqua County Home as proof....

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judeye

Nov-03-13 5:34 AM

Why is this paper going along with the push to sell the CC?

If this paper is truly interested in saving taxpayers money, why have they failed to investigate the money spent on drilling a gas well on the CC property that sits there idle? The cost was about half a million dollars...no small change. Yet this paper has failed to investigate why the well was drilled, who authorized it, who made money from the drilling and why it sits there idle rather than generating revenues for the County..ie us the taxpayer?

Rather than pointing the finger at who voted NO to this sale. Perhaps this paper should point fingers directly back at themselves for failure to be non partisan, unbiased on this issue.

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Taxpayer42

Nov-03-13 7:17 AM

Why judeye? Because the paper knows what the rest of us know - the majority of the county taxpayers want the house sold, including my elderly parents who are Dunkirk Democrats on a fixed income - go figure. They can read.

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Steiner

Nov-03-13 7:53 AM

judeye is confused again. Fixated on that gas well. All the while being a green head complaining about climate change. Judeye, do actually think at all ? When a govt project loses money it is seen as a money maker by the libs. the libs are so indoctrinated, brainwashed that the govt had a program for everything, they cannot think of selling a loser. judeye, explain to us how you can be against fracking and yet always concerned over a single gas well. All the time fighting fracking which would be a money maker for landowners. judeye, can you think clearly any more ? Co2 got you down ?

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Steiner

Nov-03-13 7:55 AM

hey ignorant libs, the 500 grand could be made up with a few fracked gas wells in chautauqua county. You libs actually and absolutly cannot think any more.

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WatchDog

Nov-03-13 8:20 AM

Even though Johnson’s Adult Homes had the highest number of reported violations of any facility in Chautauqua County, it also had the fewest number of residents. Both Johnson’s Adult Home and Southern Tier Meadows had only 24 beds. Southern Tier Meadows, however, had only 3 reported violations compared to 20 violations for Johnson’s Adult Home. The largest adult home facility in Chautauqua County is Tanglewood Manor with 158 beds. Tanglewood Manor had only 1 violation since January 2012. A list of all the adult care facilities in Chautauqua County, the number of beds at each facility, and the number of State Health Department violations since January 2012, is set forth below. The data is publicly available on the New York State Department of Health website at ***********health.ny.gov/facilities/adult_care/reports.htm.

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WatchDog

Nov-03-13 8:20 AM

Since January 2012, Johnson’s Adult Home has been cited 20 times for violating the rules and regulations of the State Health Department. This is the highest number of violations for any adult care facility in Chautauqua, and is 20% higher than the next worst facility. The number of violations since January 2012 for the 13 adult care facilities in Chautauqua County averaged about 4.38 violations. Johnson’s Adult Homes had 450% more violations than the average adult home facility. Two Chautauqua County adult care facilities—The Women’s Christian Association Home and Orchard Grove Residences—had no reported violations. Six other adult care facilities had only one reported violation: Bergqusit Adult Home, Frewsberg Rest Home for Adults, Hultquist Place, Memory Garden, St. Vincents Home for the Aged, and Tanglewood Manor.

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WatchDog

Nov-03-13 8:21 AM

JOHNSON’S ADULT HOME HAS A HIGH NUMBER OF HEALTH VIOLATIONS Although County Executive candidate Ron Johnson has trumpeted his experience in operating adult care facilities, official New York State Health Department records show that his facility has the worst compliance record of any adult home facility in Chautauqua County. Johnson’s Adult Home, owned and operated by Johnson, had more health violations since January 2012 than any other adult care facility in Chautauqua County, according to reports from the State Health Department. Johnson’s Adult Home was cited for violating requirements related to administration, resident protections, resident rights, resident services, food service, environmental standards, records and reports, and admission and retention standards.

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notalways

Nov-03-13 8:25 AM

I agree that everyone should vote, it is a privledge that should never be ignored. I also believe that this is a new low in being bias even for the Observer.

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joew

Nov-03-13 8:43 AM

Judeye hows that doomsday radiation cloud progressing,whats the latest from the "National Enquirer" this weekend.

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Chuck392

Nov-03-13 9:19 AM

I rarely agree with judeye - but I, too, have to wonder why absolutely no one wants to talk about the 800-pound gorilla in the room - the gas well.

I'm still on the fence regarding the sale, as are a lot of my friends.

And as far as losses are concerned, it was in the black for years and years. Then some State regulations were changed, and now the home is in the black. Seems that private sector homes have a financial advantage over county-owned ones now. How convenient.

Sell it or keep it - I don't know that I care. But I do know that we've spent far too much time on this when there are more pressing matters to deal with. And I'm certainly NOT going to choose who I vote for over a single issue like this. As always, my voting will be without regard to party affiliation.

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Chuck392

Nov-03-13 9:20 AM

Sorry -- now the home is in the red.

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WatchDog

Nov-03-13 10:01 AM

The Home is in the red because State reimbursements changed for the lower and the State forbids County Homes from offering other kinds of assisted living care. The County can't compete in this environment. Get it?

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American

Nov-03-13 10:07 AM

Is that gas well all you can harp about when it comes to selling the CCH judeye. Get over it get onboard with those that want to see this albatross sold. It will help the taxpayers. Sorry forgot for a minute I was trying to talk to a died in the wool liberal to whom how tax monies are spent means nothing. As you were judeye my mistake in thinking you carried about the rest of the taxpayers.

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American

Nov-03-13 10:07 AM

Is that gas well all you can harp about when it comes to selling the CCH judeye. Get over it get onboard with those that want to see this albatross sold. It will help the taxpayers. Sorry forgot for a minute I was trying to talk to a died in the wool liberal to whom how tax monies are spent means nothing. As you were judeye my mistake in thinking you carried about the rest of the taxpayers.

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American

Nov-03-13 10:07 AM

Sorry about the double post. fast clicks and slow web page.

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commentor

Nov-03-13 11:21 AM

"Ahlstrom admitted there will come a time when legislators in favor of selling are correct in their belief continued county ownership of the home isn't sustainable." If Ahlstrom knows that it is not feasible for the cty to run the home he is not properly informing his constituents. If all legislatures were doing their job they would know the financial situation at the cty home. None of them know,except maybe, Ahlstrom. Judeye as for the well it was said that the money from the well would not go to the county coffers therefore they just let it sit. That sounds like a typical decision for them. If the county wants to run a nursing home they should put something else in the mix. Sell the airports as a trade off. I would like someone to give me ONE good reason why the county operates airports????

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Escapee

Nov-03-13 12:07 PM

Chuck392, the gas well is a small distraction compared to the home's operating losses. It is NOT a 800-pound gorilla in the room. Compared to the gas well, the home has cost taxpayers many many many times more in operating losses than the entire cost of the gas well. And the gas well costs are over and complete, it’s done. A CSEA operated county home will continue to cost the taxpayers every day it operates and I expect that the daily cost will increase.

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Captain

Nov-03-13 12:40 PM

That's it folks, listen to the Observer, CCLeg members who don't want to protect valuable services, and people who don't care what happens to the home, as long as it's no longer taxpayer-funded.

Instead of good leadership, we get reps who choose to sell off public assets rather than solve the problems they were elected to address. In fact, many of the problems were caused by bad CCLeg decisions of the past, although they're quick to blame Albany for ALL problems.

It's clear the county has been on a steady decline, so keep following the ones who's only answer is to sell away the problems they face and/or raise taxes. When costs continue to rise and no more assets are left to sell, and mandated services are all that remain, remember, you got what you wanted.

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obamaless

Nov-03-13 3:14 PM

rogets,wake up most taxpayer in this county want the home sold

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obamaless

Nov-03-13 3:14 PM

rogets,wake up most taxpayer in this county want the home sold

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jo1952

Nov-03-13 11:19 PM

This is the most poorly written editorial I have ever seen. You complained earler about people not being willing to run for public office. And then what do you say to someone who has: Good riddance? How unprofessional can you get. You then go on to criticize those who voted to keep the CCH as ligtweights, but those that agree with you, now they are smart and listen to their constituents. You cannot accept the fact that people just disagree about this issue. You better stop letting the interns write your editorials. If John did write it, back to journalism class.

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Captain

Nov-04-13 8:15 AM

This is an important issue, one that I feel the public should have the final say on, NOT 13 individuals who "presume" to know what's best for us.

In all honesty, I expect the CCLeg will have the 13 votes needed to sell the home after tomorrow's election, so to h e ll with what the public wants. Even though I believe it's a big mistake, and I oppose selling the CCH, I'd rather be certain that this is what the public wants rather than rely on 13 presumptuous reps who've been hiding behind a self-made excuse (deliberate mismanagement) ever since Edwards decided this is what HE wanted to do.

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Christopher

Nov-04-13 10:50 AM

Be happy that at least the Observer is still allowing commentary. My article today was heavily censored, and all remarks stating so deleted as of a few minutes ago. I am no longer submitting anything to these pages. For my detractors, I'm sure you're happy, for my supporters, I do have standards and integrity, and that doesn't allow for anymore submissions from me. Healthcare is NOT JUST ANY "industry". The Observer fails to see that.

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Christopher

Nov-04-13 10:53 AM

By the way, why is it cause to wail that 460 jobs are being cut at Lakeshore Hospital, wailing by the Observer, yet that same paper and that same editor supports the sale of the Nursing Home which will not only result in layoffs, but a serious cut in pay and benefits for those still employed, all having the exact same impact on the local economy without lowering taxes one single penny?

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Christopher

Nov-04-13 10:55 AM

Notice that the Observer is not allowing any comments on my article in today's Observer. The Truth hurts, and apparently won't be allowed either.

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