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NY voters OK 7 Vegas-style casinos

November 6, 2013

ALBANY — New York voters bet big Tuesday on casino gambling as an economic energy shot, agreeing to let seven Las Vegas-style gaming palaces be built around the state, including one that will......

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kcw007

Nov-08-13 7:03 AM

What I find strange is that the majority of voters in most of the counties that have been included in the Seneca Compact "exclusivity" territory (west of Seneca Lake) for a number of years now voted against prop #1. Including the counties which are home to the three Seneca casinos.

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PhilJulian

Nov-07-13 8:35 AM

Hey Christopher - using your logic we should double the size of the public sector. After all, they would all spend a lot of money that helps the local econiomy. The difference is that private sector business must make a profit to stay in business. The public sector needs only to raise taxes to stay in business. Raising taxes discourages private sector investment and that is the story of Chautauqua County.

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Christopher

Nov-07-13 6:53 AM

Your opinion, Taxpayer, even though it's wrong, you're entitled to it. I'd love to know why you're assuming that employment will increase? And I can assure you that those currently employed if they're picked up will make a LOT less money. So, I guess I'm not so far off. Just compare the wages of the average employee at say, Aspire, and the CCH. I rest my case.

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Taxpayer42

Nov-07-13 12:56 AM

Christopher, that was a lame tie-in to the CCH. A private owner will expand services, employ more people, and therefore improve the economy. If it continues to lose money and the doors close, then you have your scenario.

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Christopher

Nov-06-13 9:46 PM

Hey Phil, those CCH employees spend a lot of money too. So, by your logic, if there are less of them, and the ones that are left make a lot less money, especially divided into that "disposable income" category, I guess there'll be one heck of a negative impact on the local economy, won't there?

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stangv8

Nov-06-13 7:36 PM

Now, I may be wrong on this but in order for casinos to prosper, they have to have sufficient customers with plenty of money to loose. In an economically depressed state like NY, where are these customers going to come from to support these additional casinos? Why would someone from another state want to go to NY to gamble their money when they can go to Vegas, Reno, or Atlantic City which offers much more than just a “casino”?

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joew

Nov-06-13 6:37 PM

I wish you who think it cant help could see the amazing transformation that took place in Bossier City,LA. Of course the city and parish administrators did a terrific job of putting it all together.

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PhilJulian

Nov-06-13 5:06 PM

MASON1 - you have to consider the purchasing power of casino employees. If a casino has 1000 employees they can spend a lot of dollars locally and it helps the local economy.

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Mason1

Nov-06-13 3:50 PM

Must be the state is not making enough on the .94c of every dollar sold on NYS lottery games. The people who I know that go to casinos only support the casino. They never eat in the towns they are in. Shop in the shops. It is off to the casino and home. Not much spin off dollars to the local businesses. In Niagara Falls the casino opened a hotel and has food. It hurt local merchants who origianlly for the casino. Now they have to compete and that is impossible for someone who doesn't generate the revenues that gambling brings in to offset the meals, overnight stay etc..

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Christopher

Nov-06-13 3:23 PM

Here's an example; that new cheese plant in Ashville? Great news, 200 jobs I believe? However, the current plant in Conewango is closing, at a loss of perhaps 50 jobs in an already depressed area. If a casino opens near you, yes, there will be jobs at that casino. There will also be a huge loss of jobs in the surrounding area due to everyone spending what disposable income they have at the casino. This isn't conjecture, it's FACT, and statistics supporting it are readily available. As has been said, anyone seen their school taxes reduced by the Lottery? Smoke and mirrors. A VERY FEW already rich NYC residents are about to get richer, and that's about it.

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timetomove

Nov-06-13 2:36 PM

It sounds like business as usual for NYS they need more revenue. All the lottery ticket sales statewide were promised to go to schools yet they are closing schools cutting out sports, art and other programs and laying off teachers. You can bet the gambling commissioner and his staff have an increase planned for their salaries. So many people and businesses have left the area, the amount of people getting welfare and benefits has exploded NYS needs more money to to fill the hole created. Answer this question honestly do you think more money collected by NYS will really help anything they promise all these things to taxpayers but when the door closes and the money is taken in the back room its a different story. Great jobs at the casino I would bet they pay as much as Walmart does their workers. If you bet on NYS odds are it will be a loss!

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commentor

Nov-06-13 11:20 AM

Smart decision. Why is ok for Indian gambling but not NYS gambling. That said the lottery was suppose to support schools.....what happened there. If NYS will use the money for stated purposes instead of wasting it it could be good. As for the evils of gambling there are many evils, drinking, drugs, stealing etc. Control yourself. Take responsibility for yourself. The state is not your mommy. The state isn't the business of you doing the right thing. GROW UP!!!!!!

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proconserv

Nov-06-13 10:25 AM

Christopher hit the nail dead on! Not only is the economic gain very short-term, but the local economy around casinos actually degrades over time because the locals are losing their money instead of pumping it back into the local businesses. Must be NYC and the rest of the liberal cities pushed this through...for the schools. Please. You really think the money generated from casinos actually goes to the schools???

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PhilJulian

Nov-06-13 9:50 AM

The approval makes sense. Why should we encourage New York residents to go out of state to support a billion dollars industry for the benefit of another state? If you think gambling is evil then why do we sallow the sale of state lottery tickets? Why do we allow off-track betting? Why do we allow bingo games at church halls? The truth may be that gambling has become a source of middle class entertainment and if you check the facts, areas where gambling is permitted did not experience any significant increase in crime or prostitution. On one occasion while visiting Atlantic City, I spoke with a casino employee and I asked how he felt about casinos in his city. He said "are you kidding. At least now I have a good job!

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localresident

Nov-06-13 9:14 AM

Pr, it's more than fiscal ineptitude, it's paybacks, payoffs, kickbacks, favors, collusion, corruption, and all-around misuse, followed by ill-thought out plans and unkept promises.

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PR24601

Nov-06-13 8:51 AM

Oh boo hoo hoo judeye. Even in this quasi-socialist, ultra-left state of NY they approved mining in ADK.

A human phenomenon - those who scream the loudest tend to get the most attention, but they are also the most petulant. Emotion gets in the way of facts. That's why every time I hear enviro-whacks yelling a the top of their lungs that the sky is falling, I sit back and realize they're probably wrong. They almost always are.

Sense trumped hype on this one.

As far as the casinos go - I have a split opinion, I do not believe casinos have ever, are, or will be a solution to fiscal problems.. especially in a state like NY where fiscal ineptitude is a given. However, I am glad they're going to stick it to the Natives.

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MikeDavis

Nov-06-13 8:32 AM

Judeye apparently you fail to grasp one basic concept. People are tapped out. They have no more to "give" in taxes for the social programs dems love.

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rosebud

Nov-06-13 8:17 AM

The Indians got just a little to greedy. Now they will pay the price. Don't know if more Casinos are the answer to the problems in NYS, but I guess we will find out.

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BallsOutStocks

Nov-06-13 8:12 AM

wow, such negative comments

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judeye

Nov-06-13 7:48 AM

Our State just chose money over people.

Money for more casinos...just what we need more low paying service jobs with no benefits

Money to mine in our state parks...

Money for our county home

Money the big winner last night

Money talks..bull walks and the working person pays the price...

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instigator

Nov-06-13 7:30 AM

just like gay marriage, a loser all the way around.

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Christopher

Nov-06-13 6:48 AM

The richest supporters of Governor Cuomo will make money on Casino's in the Catskills. Nobody else will make a dime, taxes will not go down, and there will be increased costs due to gambling issues. Never underestimate the stupidity of the electorate.

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