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Human Services Committee hears benefit proposal, Welfare To Work update

November 14, 2013

MAYVILLE — Chau-tauqua County may soon be joining counties across the state by establishing residency requirements in order to receive welfare benefits....

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notalways

Nov-15-13 8:32 AM

If they give you the breakdown of the numbers they can manipulate the numbers. What I really want to know is that if you are able bodied and they can't find a place for you to get a real job why don't they have you doing community service jobs? You would learn all the skills( how to dress for work, show up for work, behave at work, be responsible for work,etc). The elderly could benefit at their homes, not-for-profits could use volunteers,and there are many things that communities need that do not involved taking work away from a current employee. Why do we just look to business? It is just a way of giving them free employees at the tax payers expense.

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joew

Nov-14-13 6:47 PM

"Wonder why in the past the participation rate was very high when a not for profit agency had the contract..but fell way low when the contract was given to a For profit out of state agency"? Judeye that just happened to coincide with the huge increase in the number of people on welfare and the EO signed by your pal wiping out the welfare reform act signed by President Clinton when real compromise was taking place.

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joew

Nov-14-13 6:42 PM

Judeye all the numbers and data are available over the net,it does however take a bit of searching starting with the census figures and then using those figures to search even further. Nothing is hidden or classified. If you run up against a brick wall,simply file a FOIA request.

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joew

Nov-14-13 6:40 PM

Judeye all the numbers and data are available over the net,it does however take a bit of searching starting with the census figures and then using those figures to search even further. Nothing is hidden or classified. If you run up against a brick wall,simply file a FOIA request.

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joew

Nov-14-13 6:34 PM

Commentor you can't just run out and pass something out of emotion,it has to be worded correctly,it has to pass the state and federal litmus test. We sure as he l l don't need another Obamacare fiasco.

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judeye

Nov-14-13 1:39 PM

When I talk about the percentage of people living in or below poverty I am referring to the federal guidelines which is about $23,000 for a family of four.

Yes, you can get welfare and make much more than that.

I am appalled by the numbers per the federal guidelines. 17% of the people in our County are below poverty...20% in Fredonia..about 22% in Dunkirk and almost 25% in Jamestown.

Now call me a bleeding heart (of which I am proud)...but who can not be outraged over these numbers?

Oh those who blame the poor for being poor ...until it happens to them. Yes I have worked with many hard working folks who never took a dime of assistance..until that day when their company plant closed, they were hit with a major medical expense, and just did not have enough in savings to cover it all.

I want to see the numbers. I want to know why they are not easily available to any of us? They make these reports every month..it is no big deal. Why not share them?

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Captain

Nov-14-13 11:01 AM

judeye: Many people dispute what NYS defines as poverty, more specifically, what it excludes to determine welfare eligibility.

Earned income is the main criteria, followed by family size. Those who's income meets or exceeds X amt are NOT living in poverty, according to NYS. With our income, we buy and/or pay for all basic needs and services. The money left over, also known as expendable income, is what is used to buy or pay for non-essentials, such as cable TV, cell phones, Net service, cars, etc (see where I'm going?). Welfare recipients, however, are afforded many of these same things.

The point is, if NYS ignored total earned income, and only recognized "the remaining income" of what working ppl have AFTER they buy the same "non-essentials" provided to welfare recipients for free, poverty would rise, based on NYS "guidelines"

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PROGRESSIVE44

Nov-14-13 9:23 AM

How is residency defined? How long must I live in the county? If I am here and have paid rent how can I afford to move back to wherever? Do I need Christine's permission before I move into the county?

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PROGRESSIVE44

Nov-14-13 9:19 AM

The Devils in the Details. Yes it is Christine, but where are those details? Why did those 20 move to NYS? Did they live here formerly? Have relatives who need their help? How many recipients moved out of the county? Should we pay for them because of residency requirements where they have moved to? Do Citizens have a free right to move? Do we need interstate compacts on payment of benefits so people are free to move to seek work or otherwise improve their lives?

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commentor

Nov-14-13 9:10 AM

Here's Vince your new cty ex. Let's delay it to Dec. Absolutely pass it now. Typical Judeye on the take bleeding heart. Dunkirk is a dump because of all the welfare freeloaders. 5000 of the 5500 probably live in Dunkirk.

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judeye

Nov-14-13 8:05 AM

Wonder why in the past the participation rate was very high when a not for profit agency had the contract..but fell way low when the contract was given to a For profit out of state agency?

A few days ago this paper reported something like 5,500 people on assistance in our County. I would like to see that broken down. How many of them are seniors, how many are disabled, how many are working, and how many are able bodied but not working? Where did these figures come from and why is the public..the tax payer, not allowed to review them?

First, that number is 4% of our entire population. Not really that high for how high our level of poverty is in this County. Now of that 4%, I would like to know how many are "employable" a term used by DSS when someone does not have a valid reason (like age or disability) not to work.

How many people are we talking about that are 'employable' but not working?

Of those how many would be considered 'abusing the system'?

Give us those

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Captain

Nov-14-13 6:47 AM

NYS law requires residency BEFORE applicants can get benefits. Schuyler says she sees 700 applications PER/MO, 20 from out of state.

First, how many of these 700 "claims" are from out of county? 2nd, of the 20 PER MONTH from out of state, why aren't these immediately denied, unless the exemptions noted apply?

No doubt there are valid cases where ppl truly need help, but I'm quite certain there are many more cases where able-bodied ppl, fully capable of working, are simply abusing the system, and have been for decades.

Without shame, they have embraced the "I'm entitled" or "take care of me" attitude. It's not just NYS, it's everywhere, we just happen to offer one of the best "plans" taxpayers can buy, which not only encourages these slugs, it attracts new ones.

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