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Keefe explains village position on water

November 21, 2013

MAYVILLE — The Village of Fredonia is still not on board with Chadwick Bay Regional Development Corporation’s plans for a proposed north county water district....

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Christopher

Nov-22-13 5:59 PM

Joey, how about just once adding "in my opinion" to something. I did mention Ms. Tampio's wage increase, didn't I? Did you respond to that? No, of course not. Even when people supply the facts you always ask for, you ignore them, so why bother. I also clearly stated that ANY politician receiving jobs they aren't qualified for as political rewards are hacks, any party, any one of them. I specifically mentioned a few examples, and that I saw Ms. Tampio's position in the same light. You say it's an unwarranted personal attack, I say it's a warranted attack on run of the mill politics. Funny how selective you are about wasted money in this county. And you are a liar, you lied to me personally. And YES, I answered you, and you ignore the answers.

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joew

Nov-22-13 4:54 PM

"I was afraid your phallic extension...excuse me...that gun, had gone off and you'd hurt yourself"! Actually Paul your attack on Ms Tampio without any,any definitive proof is why you in fact have no idea of where the line lies. Free reign to disagree does come with some responsibility and you seem to ignore that for some reason. I know where the "safety" is Paul and it's obvious you do not!

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Captain

Nov-22-13 4:15 PM

...snausages ;)

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Christopher

Nov-22-13 7:51 AM

"In your column on Monday, you take issue with Medicor, a for-profit group. I cannot allow that as I would not allow you to take issue with a local restaurant, car dealership, financial analyst, candy store or anything else that is privately owned." THAT is a direct quote from John on why he wouldn't print all of my article. Now, Joew, does that sound like there was an issue of innuendo, or rhetoric or unfounded statements with John D relative to my gutted article? No, it doesn't, does it? And I'm sorry but relegating Medicor to the same status as a car dealership or restaurant, relative to my article, relative to its impact on the community, was just ridiculous. I saved the E-mails. I'd send them to you, but you'd just lie about them anyway. exactly what are you getting from John for your lies and blind support? Free papers?

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Christopher

Nov-21-13 11:01 PM

Thank God you showed up with your typical lying BS, Joe! I was afraid your phallic extension...excuse me...that gun, had gone off and you'd hurt yourself! As I've said before, much like tossing fish to a barking seal.

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joew

Nov-21-13 8:53 PM

OpenMind and MrPinecone I agree with both of you and it is just that kind of rhetoric that caused the editing of his last opinion piece.

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Christopher

Nov-21-13 8:11 PM

Other than doubling her pay after her first election, there were many issues regarding hiring under her tenure, and aside from that, just because it's always done means nothing. I don't care if she was a Republican or Democrat, all departments like this are filled with unqualified people, not engineers, people with water plant experience, none of that, their only "qualification" is having been in politics, and ANY hiring based solely on that, in my opinion, is the hiring of a political hack. Example: Ed Rudkowski hired at the Erie Water Authority after he was beat in an election. How about Joe Crangle? Same thing here.

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ReasonableCitizen

Nov-21-13 7:37 PM

The Erie County Water Authority has Silver Creek rates out of control. Regional Cooperation is a good thing but at what cost? We must be very careful that it doesn't cost 10 times more in the end.

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OpenMind

Nov-21-13 6:50 PM

Christopher - Do you even know Mrs. Tampio? Have you ever spoken with her about your issues? Much of what you say is incorrect. Why don't you get your facts straight before you engage in vicious personal attacks.

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MrPinecone

Nov-21-13 4:03 PM

Christopher, you said: "I'm not in favor because I don't trust any Authority at all! Ms. Tampio's appointment is a perfect case in point, a political hack taken care of by the exiting County Exec. as political payback." MY RESPONSE: First, you are spot on to distrust an Authority but the north county water district will not be a water authority; it will be jointly owned by member municipalities; this is entirely different than an "authority". Second, could you please back up you comments about Ms Tampio? She's a republican who got a job with a Republican majority legislature, which, if I am not mistaken, is not an appointment by the County Exec; it is voted on by the legislators. Such gigs always go to a member of the majority party as it did when the Dems ran the show. And please don't cop out by saying all such appointments go to political hacks. Back up your assertions with something resembling factS. To call Ms Tampio a hack is needlessly nasty.

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rumblefish

Nov-21-13 11:01 AM

Fredonia Fred: we won't dispute your claim, but we would like to see that in writing, when it's on paper then there can be no misconceptions to the facts, without it in stone, terms/agreements have a way to be twisted and changed, why do you think contracts are necessary to protect all involved

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Christopher

Nov-21-13 10:56 AM

"Everyone posting is basing comments on Chautauqua County getting water from Erie County. This is not the case. The Dunkirk water system will be expanded to supply most of the needed water. Erie county will be hooked into the system for emergencies, if needed." Not true! I'm not in favor because I don't trust any Authority at all! Ms. Tampio's appointment is a perfect case in point, a political hack taken care of by the exiting County Exec. as political payback. There'll be more of that, and everyone will pay for it. The ECWA issue is just more fuel to the fire, but not the only issue at all.

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rumblefish

Nov-21-13 10:53 AM

another point to consider: when has Erie County ever tried to be a good neighbor to this area, with all their economic woes and shrinking revenue base, this area should be wary of the "Wolf at the door", call us cynical but we can't see Erie County getting involved without an end game that will benefit them

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OpenMind

Nov-21-13 10:51 AM

Mr Pinecone is absolutely right. The "proposed" plan at this point in time is for the City of Dunkirk to be the water supplier for the region. I don't know why the Mayor keeps saying that the water will come from ECWA with the exception of in an emergency only. The village of Fredonia is facing another almost $12 million in improvements that must be done to the treatment plant, reservoir and the****spillway. What do you think the water users in Fredonia will say when their bills go up to pay the debt service on those improvements - maybe then they will see that they can buy water from the regional district at a cheaper cost. If Fredonia truly wants an accurate financial analysis to compare rates with a regional system, then they should provide the data to the engineers that has been requested for months and still not delivered.

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rumblefish

Nov-21-13 10:37 AM

we have stated in the past that if Mayville got involved in the forming and running of the NCWD, then it's going to put extra expense on city water users, why else would they have put the carrot in front of the mule (offering grant money to renovated city water plant)if city signs of on being lead applicant

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MrPinecone

Nov-21-13 10:28 AM

Christopher, you said: "Mr. Pinecone, the issue of mergers is a legitimate issue. BUT, and this is a large BUT, the merger has to clearly demonstrate some positives, and this plan doesn't. I say the same thing with school mergers, they have to make sense and show savings or programming enhancements."" My response: Agreed. But you said without hesitation, "Fredonia would be out of their minds to participate in this!!!"" That doesn't sounds like you would even give it a chance of clearly demonstrating that it could be beneficial. Fact is, Fredonia officials do not have the facts because they do no longer attend Chadwick Bay meetings even though this is the time when the numbers are starting to come out that show anticipated costs to each member. Additionally, Fredonia is derelict because they have still have unpaid dues from at least one year during which they were a member of Chadwick Bay.

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Jack366

Nov-21-13 10:26 AM

Keefe is right on the money with this one. To many what ifs for my like. We have good water now at a good price no need to go shaking things up with water from different places where the villiage and county have no power. Good job village leaders.

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FredoniaFred

Nov-21-13 10:25 AM

Everyone posting is basing comments on Chautauqua County getting water from Erie County. This is not the case. The Dunkirk water system will be expanded to supply most of the needed water. Erie county will be hooked into the system for emergencies, if needed.

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Christopher

Nov-21-13 10:24 AM

And the facts are, Mr. Pinecone, that if the ECWA is the backup, then they ARE involved. That is a fact. That would mean they would have to be hooked into the system in some way, that's a FACT. That would mean there is at least a POTENTIAL for them to become the actual supplier if some person had a hidden agenda. Again, at the very least, any reasonable person looking at each and every Authority in this state ought to be VERY nervous. Ms. Tampio's appointment is the perfect example.

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baseball

Nov-21-13 10:12 AM

MrPinecone, I consider my water to be somewhat cheap, for a family of 5 in Fredonia, its about $115 every three months, ans that includes sewer! so the water itself is actually about $55 every three months! So where is Fredonia wrong for not wanting this? Its you that cant see what is wrong here, or you one that has a vested interest in this water board? Why cant Fredonia and Dunkirk keep their plants open and work together to provide water to the North County????

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MrPinecone

Nov-21-13 10:08 AM

Oh, by the way, Marcia is right- the Erie Co wtr authority is where political favors are paid... but Keefe has it wrong. The Erie county water authority is NOT involved in any way other than a potential emergency back-up water supply similar to the Dunkirk-Fredonia connection that currently exists. Facts can be useful in these discussions.

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Christopher

Nov-21-13 10:05 AM

Mr. Pinecone, the issue of mergers is a legitimate issue. BUT, and this is a large BUT, the merger has to clearly demonstrate some positives, and this plan doesn't. I say the same thing with school mergers, they have to make sense and show savings or programming enhancements.

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MrPinecone

Nov-21-13 10:01 AM

Once again, there is a flimsy and contradictory thought process that infects so many posters here. Those who rightly call for merging small governments, school districts, etc because it's too expensive to maintain each individually then completely abandon that opinion when it comes to the hallowed ground known as Fredonia. The fact is, the cost maintain, correct defects, violations, etc at the Fredonia water supply(and other municipalities) will become too burdensome for residential and commercial users alike. (Can you say BYE BYE Carriage House?).

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Marcia

Nov-21-13 9:56 AM

The Erie County Water Authority has always been a haven for political appointees who know nothing about what they do, only party loyalty, by democrats and republicans. We do not want them in charge of our water.

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DarkStar

Nov-21-13 9:37 AM

Yeah, as I said in the comments to another story, while I support a properly put together and managed regional water system, but I have no faith in any of these people and fully expect anything they do to be put together poorly and totally mismanaged.

Here's an idea, instead of a bunch of politicians running the water district, why don't we have those that actually operate the water plant do it? Let them hire a business manager and accountant to help them and I think they would likely do a far better job then any elected or appointed official will ever be capable of.

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