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League has right to sound alarms

December 7, 2013

A recent commentary “There’s fiction with fracking foes” (Nov....

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judeye

Dec-10-13 7:29 AM

joew..I already told you about my first visit. I meet next week to choose a plan that will meet my needs. I promise to tell you all about it after the appointment. Hold your horses.

Good News...my husband was able to get a supplemental health insurance policy that would cover his radiation without bankrupting us! He was accepted..even though he has MANY pre existing conditions, including C. That is very good news in my home, and one that we thank ACA for.

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jo1952

Dec-09-13 9:47 PM

Steiner, this is about one of those "gals" you are always putting down. Grace Murray Hopper (December 9, 1906 – January 1, 1992) was an American computer scientist and United States Navy rear admiral. A pioneer in the field, she was one of the first programmers of the Harvard Mark I computer, and developed the first compiler for a computer programming language.[1][2][3][4][5] She conceptualized the idea of machine-independent programming languages, which led to the development of COBOL, one of the first modern programming languages. She is credited with popularizing the term "debugging" for fixing computer glitches (inspired by an actual moth removed from the computer). Owing to the breadth of her accomplishments and her naval rank, she is sometimes referred to as "Amazing Grace".[6][7] The U.S. Navy destroyer USS Hopper (DDG-70) is named for her, as was the Cray XE6 "Hopper" supercomputer at NERSC.

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Steiner

Dec-09-13 8:14 AM

To all you unlearend libs and especially the gals. Worried about chemical contamination in wells ? get a base line sample and have it tested for chemicals. there might be an analytical lab at Fredonia, if not they have to know where a good one is. get multiple samples . Run GC on the water. dry the water and analyze any solids. Thats how the big boys like myself do science, not endless repetitionsof doom. Get a sample of the fracking water somehow. usually this is accomplished in industry on the sly, noone looking a sample is taken. Or we send in a cute sales gal, a very rare thing in industry and she charms it out of the place. thats how its done folks. the sample are given to the anayltical lab and for insurance , to outside independent labs.the results are then examined. Noone cries wolf till the results are in. just like on Bones on TV. thats how the real world works.

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Steiner

Dec-09-13 8:08 AM

commentor, look how you reply ! Always a quip, no facts. You posters are just aching to know who i am and where i work. You dont believe there are people like me. You find it hard after the likes of christopher and obama say over and over, you did not build that. well, if we did not, who did then ? the govt employee ? Nope, I have posted solid evidence to the contrary and you commentor mock again and again. Even your mock about gal philosophers was sunk by the gals themselves. yet you continue mocking. that is truly the mark of a very limited intelleect. please try and use facts, not just quips. it shows your stupidity ,something you are proud of.

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Steiner

Dec-09-13 8:03 AM

jo, you are showing your stupidity again. Love canal was legal in its time. the chemical company told people not to disturb it or build anything near it. their warnings were ignored. One does not even dig up rotting corpses because of death and the locals dug up a chemical grave yard. Hindsight is perfect jo. Most chemical waste is burned to get rid of it. waste is minimized, but it is unavoidable. Even human waste is bad for disease. all of you posters are woefully ignorant, on purpose by the likes of the LWV and the do gooders. they have said the sky is falling for centuries, only to be wrong again and again. environnmetalism makes one stupid, it really does. not one of you has answered my repeated questions on what wil replace the btus from hydrocarbons. To me that is proof positive that you posters are stupid beond all comprehension. like the LWV are.

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Steiner

Dec-09-13 7:56 AM

hey jo, you are confused too. the gas shale is thousands of feet below the water table. None of your posters with the exception of joew have any clue. I bet that not one rural well has ever been tested for chemicals. Why not libs? All it takes is a good analytical lab and money. i am sure there are ruch libs in the area that will finance the tests. You have no case at all for ground water contamination, the EPA agrees with me. I know how to turn court cases and have done so with solid analytical evidence. Infra red scans, GC and the like. Thats how the chemical world operates people , not on emotion and endless repetition of end of the world, the sky is falling etc.Casey anthony's attorney knew and used analytical results, they wil repeat the world over and Casey was found innocent. the emotional types outside the court erupted into cries of guilty. stupid people they are.

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Steiner

Dec-09-13 7:48 AM

Christopher and commentor get it wrong again. hey christopher, if one just takes a trip to detroit, one will see something is wrong. 50 square miles of wasteland Paul, all done by democrats, public employee unions and assorted riots. If one went to Bhopal, one would see the mass deaths when a chemical plant leaked its toxic product. Locally we have seen meth labs with little more than overreacting from our cops. Dangerous chemkicals ! well so is the gasoline in your tank. We have seen more houses blow up in WNY from propane or natural gas leaks than problems from fracking. we have had over 60 cars plow into buildings .In California, the do gooders such as the LWV polluted the ground water with MTBE, a chemical to raise octane, but is water soluble. Hundreds of underground tanks leaked and the ground water now has MTBE. thanks do gooders. now the witless women are at it again.

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jo1952

Dec-08-13 8:18 PM

MikeDavis, be prepared to be shocked. I agree with you. Our fresh water is too important to jeopardize. No one is saying it will cause mass murders. There are plenty of examples of fiding out later about the problems covered up, such as Love Canal.

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joew

Dec-08-13 7:22 PM

"conducted in depth scientific tests, and has discovered and answered each and every question about Fracking one could have, and has declared it safe! That about right, Joe? I mean, you walked the area for 2 days and can declare the entire process completely safe"!?

This that you wrote Pauly is not what I posted,you have as I said twisted and distorted what I wrote. It is these type of statements and comments that caused your commentary to be edited. People like to hear the truth Pauly,not some overblown distortion. Wise up!

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Christopher

Dec-08-13 2:58 PM

Not twisting, not lying. You said you spent 2 days in PA talking to people and that in your opinion after that 2 days, Fracking was good. Why deny what you wrote? I can understand why a normal person would want to, but you aren't normal and arte generally ok with making an idiot out of yourself. Thjat's all it takes with you, talk to one person, especially ANYONE with a title, and all issues are solved! Nice world you live in.

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joew

Dec-08-13 1:36 PM

Why Paul do you have to lie and twist what I posted? I'd call you a arrogant jerk as well but that's considered piling on!

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Christopher

Dec-08-13 10:59 AM

"Not wanting to read or listen to propaganda from either camp to form a opinion,I spent almost two days over in NE PA talking,walking and absorbing what it's all about and I have reached a decision!" No, not twisted at all Joew. You toured the area and talked to people and that's the end of that. You learned all you need to know. Not bad for a 2 day walking tour, lol! What an arrogant jerk you arte.

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commentor

Dec-08-13 10:54 AM

Steinernut and Judblindeye.....Peat and repeat!!!!

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commentor

Dec-08-13 10:53 AM

Steinernut..."My comments are from personal industrial experience , tinkering for 35 years in my garage, books and TV specials." Just what big corporation did you work for? I think the garage part is probably all of it.

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PhilJulian

Dec-08-13 9:51 AM

There will always be people motivated by fear and there will always be those who stand in the way n of progress. Fortunately the majority are able to see the bigger picture and the majority will eventually prevail.

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Steiner

Dec-08-13 9:42 AM

An analogy is in order here with the gals against fracking. On PBS it was said, second opinion show , that the tendency of blacks to high blood pressure and its host of related heath problems, early deaths, was due to , a legacy of racism or slavery. No mention of the high crime area the blacks live in. So with the gals, their anti fracking arises from the force feeding , even in america when arrested for womens voting rights. A description is in order. the tube is forced down the nose, the doctor goofs up, it comes out the mouth. the woman, bound to the chair struggles, tears and blood result. then karmic memories of nurture, greed, they are fracking mother earth arise. its all in your legacy gals. If its good for one race, the analogy is good for the gals. whaddaya say gals .

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Steiner

Dec-08-13 9:20 AM

judeye, where is your replacement for the btus ? Desperate for money ? thats what america was and is about. I guess you did not see the PBS special on STD oil. Whole forests were cut down. oil was everywhere. fortunes were made.SO JUDEYE, WHEN ARE YOU GONNA ANSWER THE RELEVANT QUESTIONS I POSE. THEY ARE REAL QUESTIONS, NOT THE NONSENSE YOU BELIEVE IN. ACA has driven prices UP judeye, this even on mainstream tv ! you live in a dream world.WHERE ARE THE MASS DEATHS JUDEYE ? In your mind. judeye , you and the LWV know nothing, nothing at all ! Just a bunch of confused women.jJUDEYE, YOUR LACK OF RESPONSE SHOWS ME AND PROVES TO ME YU GALS ARE IGNORANT OF THE BASIC THINGS DRIVING AMERICA. Even something as simple as heating your house. WHEN WILL YOU ANSWER JUDEYE. DONT HAVE AN ANSWER ? How can one be informed as you claim and so ignorant ?my analytical science posts on water, methane and co2 heat absorbing are real and true.Dont ya know you get water and co2 when you burn gas ?

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joew

Dec-08-13 8:40 AM

Judeye that reminds me,when will we see that report you promised about the Obamacare plan?

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joew

Dec-08-13 8:36 AM

Christopher the all knowing again has twisted what I posted. What a surprise.

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joew

Dec-08-13 8:29 AM

Judeye can you tell us of the damage done? The folks I spoke with(30 or so)who live and work there did not indicate that to me. They did say they were apprehensive at first but are now comfortable with the fracking. The water tasted fine(both well,spring,and other sources,the streams have fish,didn't see any two headed cows etc.

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judeye

Dec-08-13 8:12 AM

localresident...sorry you lost your health care insurance.

Glad that you will be able to replace it with one that will actually cover you if you need it, most likely at a lower cost than what you were paying.

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judeye

Dec-08-13 8:10 AM

joew..yes I have seen them in Pa...it is my home state. I know where they are fracking and the damage it has done. Yes I do know it has brought some money into areas that are hard pressed for jobs. So desperate that they are willing to destroy their lands and risk destroying their water tables. It is a very frustrating...very difficult choice for them.

Drilling near the...OUR...National Forest...it something I do not like to see, no matter how much work it might bring in.

By the way, what happened to all those high paying jobs that came when we drilled all the wells in this County back in the eighties? Who owns those companies and where are all the profits going?

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Steiner

Dec-08-13 8:00 AM

So to Minda , judeye and the rest of the libs, I do not see any answers how green energy is going to offset quadrillions of BTUs and chemicals we need to live. even Pauls unions cant do what hydrocarbons do. Proof, look at detroit. gals, steiner will await your learned answer.

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Steiner

Dec-08-13 7:57 AM

now in woodrow wilsons time, the gals said thet wilson should not make any decisions without consulting , believe it or not, women ! women were even more clueless about science back then as the suffraggetes, some of them wanted socialism. they also said that women, after they could vote, would leave a lasting legacy of womens thought on society. truer words were never spoken as prohibition was looming, organized crime and prostitution of gals would skyrocket.This led to JFK and Vietnam. they under estimated the guys ability to make crime and violence and money . Now the gals at the EPA and LWV have declared war on carbon, womens thoughts again. This time, we will see starvation and cold so the women can feel good about their lack of science knowledge. you gals, your legacy is one of complete naivete and cluelessness about science and the world.And we let you vote ! its a crime against humanity to let the LWV vote. or have women in key positions making decisions like at the EPA.

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Steiner

Dec-08-13 7:48 AM

now the activists have said we would run out of natural gas, oil etc. we would starve too by this time. the libs said the planet was cooling and said they had the science to prove it. Now they say it is warming and have the science to prove that too ! Minda is concerned over methane leaking from wells. Methane is huge heat absorber, CH stretching is the analytical term. But if Minda is concerned about methane, why not water ? Any chemist or engineer knows water absorbs a lot of heat . Burning hydrocarbons yields up water. water and its vapor or clouds are the premier greenhouse gas of all time.How did ya miss that Minda ? nervous disorders got you down ? there is ALWAYS much more water in the air then methane. You screwed up minda , messed up bigtime. I call it gal science. They admitted on on women rule that they do NOT KNOW how the world we live in works ! YES ! Why, it was thought up by guys ! from the gals themselves , not me folks. Minda is proof of it.

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