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FREDONIA: Lack of deal about control

December 23, 2013

It is official: the Fredonia Village Board also plays the role of Scrooge during the holidays....

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RodPennica

Dec-26-13 7:18 PM

jo1952... you actually pay less than a rural town resident; the town residents outside of the village pay a higher tax rate than you do because they do (as you rightly pointed out) get more services from the town. Also, I'm not retired but my day job takes me to town hall semi-regularly; other than that, I spend a few hours every few months attending town board meetings. Retiree Oakes attends some of those meetings too. Should we stay home and get our "facts" from this blog instead? If we did, we might be saying things you just did which are just plain wrong. By the way, I live in the village too.

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jo1952

Dec-26-13 2:55 PM

And I think that pennica and Oakes spend an awful lot of time on town hall for a retiree.

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jo1952

Dec-26-13 2:54 PM

Just why did Ms. Eckman wait so long to present this to her board? She seems to be one of the biggest problems ion this situation. As a Fredonia resident i resent paying more for town taxes than people who receive more services fromt he town. And the town board needs to be reminded they also represent village residents too. So those fees will also come back to us, paying double.

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Christopher

Dec-26-13 7:17 AM

OK< Christmas is over. A) I never mentioned Jim Oakes, and have no idea whether he's posting here or not. B)According to Civvy, Pomfret taxes are so low residents should almost be happy to pay them. In reality, the fire contract won't add more than a couple of bucks for everyone. Again, using Chuck's logic, he should be more than happy to pay those couple of bucks for the peace of mind and service delivered. I could go on and on, but the bottom line is that most of the property value attributed to the Town of Pomfret relative to a lot of other rural Town's is its proximity to FREDONIA, NOT the other way around. Ok, done for now, NEXT! :)

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RodPennica

Dec-25-13 7:13 PM

Thank you! It has been a merry one so far. And same to you!

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Christopher

Dec-25-13 6:19 PM

Merry Christmas, Rod! Sincerely wishing the best for you and your family.

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RodPennica

Dec-25-13 5:16 PM

Paul..I can stay off the pages here (probably will post infrequently anyhow) but I can't be responsible for comments others write about me (Krasnitz) just because I show up at meetings. Civ has 2 properties in Pomfret that are directly affected by the Pomfret fire contract and Oakes has way more than that so they have a vested interest as citizens & tax payers. You can characterize them and me as politicians if you wish but I think it's more accurate to call them concerned citizens and former elected officials who happened to be way more informed than the average Pomfret or village taxpayer. By the way, I would have real trouble characterizing as BS any thanks Chuck gave you for your military service. I think he told me he spoke to you on (or near) Veteran's Day... I'm sure it was sincere... and ditto here. Many of us who didn't serve consider ourselves truly indebted to those of you who did.

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Christopher

Dec-25-13 1:07 PM

I might add that Mr. Civeletto, who has never spoken to me or made contract with me, other than just bumping into each other once in a while, was so moved by one of my posts that he called me from Florida, handed out some BS about thanking me for my service, than launched into a speech much like what he said in his letter to the paper. That sounds like a VERY interested party to me, not a retired Town politician.

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Christopher

Dec-25-13 9:29 AM

As for Democrat/Republican designations, I can remember Ms. Christina being an endorsed, party affiliated Democrat when elected, but her votes and alliances clearly said otherwise. Cross endorsements often occur when the candidate pool is limited, usually by spineless "leaders" trying to curry favor.

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Christopher

Dec-25-13 9:26 AM

I'[d say this then, Rod. As 3 people no longer serving on the board, one not even a NYS resident any longer, if one really wanted the conspiracy theorists to lay low, I'd stay off the pages. Most of the pro-Town remarks have come from the 3 of you, and Civvy even sent one from Florida! It DOES make one think!

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judeye

Dec-25-13 7:54 AM

"The Fredonia Board, obviously one of the richest and most well-off communities in the county,"

With 20% living at or below POVERTY. That is..about $23,000 for a family of four.

Many are unaware of the high level of poverty we have in this County...including some of our towns and villages where we just assume everyone is doing ok. Many are NOT. Many are hurting and in great need.

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RodPennica

Dec-24-13 11:50 PM

I am way late to the party here but what the heck. If the Curly Larry Moe comment was about me, Civiletto & Oakes, I'll be Curly; if not about us, I'll still be Curly. The comment regarding bad blood between Fred & Pomfret being Republican vs Democrat is a bit strange since there is not a single republican on either board although Penharlow & Christina were endorsed by the Republicans. I don't know Eckman's party affiliation but she was endorsed by the Dems.Party affiliations and or/endorsements are majority Dem on the town board and are 100% Dem on the village board. I, Civ & Oakes (all Republicans) haven't held office in 2 years...speaking for myself, the current board does not seek my guidance on this topic and I'm pretty it's the same for Civ & Oakes. If I'm reading between the lines correctly, there seems to be a whole lot of baseless conspiratorial imaginings going on here.

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Christopher

Dec-24-13 9:38 PM

Excuse me, I might be a little confused, but isn't the Village of Fredonia IN the Town of Pomfret? In fact, doesn't the Village comprise somewhere around 2/3's of the entire Town population? Doesn't that equate to supplying somewhere around 2/3 of the Town's property taxes? I'm a bit confused with Town politicians not getting that.

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killers

Dec-24-13 7:26 PM

It is a sad commentary when many who write these comments do not care what is fair and equitable. The complete lack of understanding of the issue is astounding, but in reading their comments on most issues shows their true colors. The one thing i will agree with is the town got caught with being forced to take a unfair contract two years ago and should have gone in a different direction. You can not blame the village for wanting to get as much as it can from the town residents. However, the town should have been in talks with surrounding fire districts for coverage. The town board i guess has to make a decision on whether they represent the town residents best interests or the villages when it comes to the fire district issue. I believe there are some on the town board who definitely do not represent the town residents on this issue.

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commentor

Dec-24-13 4:39 PM

Curly, Larry & Moe. They need to but out and stop embarrassing themselves. Stanislaus we have already covered the fact that the Village would have to be absorbed into the Town (God Forbid). For it to happen the other way around the Town would have to annex itself into the Village and we know that would never happen. I bet the two new Town board members can't wait to get into this mess. Here's hoping they have what is lacking on that board....intelligence!!!!

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Stanislaus

Dec-24-13 1:57 PM

By the way, the way the law is written Fredonia is within the town of Pomfert. Fredonia would have to be absorbed by Pomfert not the other way around.

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Stanislaus

Dec-24-13 1:54 PM

Hey, it all depends on how and when Fredonia advised the town that their bill would be going up 18k over two years. As the saying goes, don't sh!t in someone's mailbox without calling them first. Giving Pomfert less than two months to prepare for a two year contract sounds a little fishy to me. Besides, what liberal here would want their taxes raised just for fire protection services. How many paid people do they really need?

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Krasnitz

Dec-24-13 1:52 PM

At the Village meeting last Friday to vote on the proposal, the only town personages present were the former town board members; Pennica, Oakes and Civiletto. Perhaps they act in an ex officio capacity although Civiletto is no longer a NY State resident.

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commentor

Dec-24-13 9:50 AM

.....and don't forget to put Oakes in the mix. He is another behind the scenes two faced operator.

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Christopher

Dec-24-13 7:41 AM

And yes, Mr. Civeletto who wrote such a nice, well thought out and extremely one sided and biased letter on 12/15/13, is NOT a NYS resident, though he does own property here.

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Christopher

Dec-24-13 7:37 AM

It's funny, isn't it? The Town supervisor has no idea about a supposed agreement, seems to be unaware of what his own board members are doing, but it's FREDONIA'S problem!!? A few years back a few Town officials stuck their nose into Fredonia politics in an attempt to annex the Village into the Town. Those same people are still trying even though not in office and in at least one case, even a state resident. Until that time, during Mayor Sullivan's reign, you rarely heard anything about Town issues in the Village, nobody much cared. The obvious bad blood between these two entities was initiated by Town Officials, and is still obviously the source of current problems. Part of it is a Democrat versus Republican issue, but a lot of it is just a grab for power and money. Fredonia residents had better pay VERY close attention to Town politics, and study a bit to see who is backing whom. Who does Ann Eckman align with? How about David Penharlow? And again, what and where was Mr. Steger?

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Dcronlg

Dec-23-13 10:37 AM

As far as Fredonia's behavior, I shocked-shocked-SHOCKED that the church lady gaggle OBSERVER board is complaining.

The Fredonia Board, obviously one of the richest and most well-off communities in the county, is nothing less than the epitome of conservative/GOP/TPer philosophy: I got mine and to*****with you -- we're don't want to share it, we're not going to share and in fact, you'll have to wait for our fortunes to trickle down to you, and by doing so, it will enrich you -- you'll see...

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Dcronlg

Dec-23-13 10:34 AM

The OBSERVER doesn't practice or operate in journalism. They are a bunch of nosy, gossipy, opinionated church ladies -- old women wearing old clothes and cheap cologne, sitting around, gossipping incessantly about people, not caring one wit about facts.

Collectively, like at the Wednesday morning bridge club at the Daisy Hill retirement home, when they chatter, they sounds like a gaggle of geese honking furiously, about nothing.

That's why I have always, always, always called this bunch of journalistic impostors the "Church Lady Gaggle".

I'm glad to see a few fellow commenters have vindicated me.

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commentor

Dec-23-13 9:27 AM

The buck usually stops at the top. In this case the top is Steger. He should have seen to it that this issue was settled in a timely manor. Perhaps it's time for him to retire. Better yet annex the Town into the Village. Given this last thaw and sewer and water problems just what did the Town do? What were it's responsibilities??? Again something they don't do for Village residents!! Still searching for those services that the Town provides for those Village tax dollars???????

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Captain

Dec-23-13 9:23 AM

Looks like my friend with at least 2 accts has made his presence known w/o commenting ;)

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