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‘Difficult,’ but necessary

January 19, 2014

What do you get when a non-taxpayer funded school begins to have declining enrollment? You get what happened last week, when the Catholic Diocese of Buffalo announced the closings of 10 Catholic......

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CadeFoster

Jan-20-14 10:05 AM

:-) thank you

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DarkStar

Jan-20-14 9:48 AM

CadeFoster,

Congrats on becoming the leftist Steiner.

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DKexpat

Jan-19-14 9:37 PM

To localresident's point, here's an example: My county is a consolidated district of 70,000+ students in about 85 schools with an annual budget of about $850M.

The district's purchasing department, which buys tens of millions per year for all those schools has a total of 10 people, including clerical/secretarial staff. How many people are employed in Chau Cty's 18 districts to do the same (on a much smaller scale)?

The same holds true for payroll systems, maintenance departments, guidance departments, transportation, etc. - - duplicated service galore - - that all of you are paying for in districts with just a couple of hundred students.

Keep it up and one day you'll have more administrators and support staff that kids in classrooms...

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localresident

Jan-19-14 4:53 PM

Chuck, by the miracle that is NYS BOE accounting practices, taxes will go UP after consolidation because you know...reasons.

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Chuck392

Jan-19-14 3:13 PM

School consolidation will happen in order to survive. Will your school taxes go down? Not enough to say so.

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CadeFoster

Jan-19-14 2:44 PM

Lol, i know local. I was funning with Steiner. Who works with goverment grants to do his research. You know free money.

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localresident

Jan-19-14 2:40 PM

Conservative: typically the group of people making a living without being propped up by government programs and usually the people running businesses, large, medium, and small.

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CadeFoster

Jan-19-14 2:00 PM

Conservative - TERM to mean cheap as heck. Will not spend a dollar to save a dollar. In constant denial of the truth and facts. :-)

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CadeFoster

Jan-19-14 1:58 PM

So right Psyco. but he is to busy playing the blame game (fact)and watching PBS (fact)to care about his kids (assumption).

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CadeFoster

Jan-19-14 1:52 PM

Yep, no one else pays for taxes and then private school for there kid do they. My mother did. Only the cheap ones (conseratives) wont do that,they have no money for a catholic education so there kids go to a public school.

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localresident

Jan-19-14 1:04 PM

And, no, public schools won't face bankruptcy because they have an unending supply of ca$h. Well, at least to hear them tell the story anyway. It will be the property owners who will face bankruptcy, because they are the only ones out of the bunch who have a direct stake in the matter. The schools don't give a single thought to what property owners can/can't afford. You just make sure the Super can afford the latest Beemer 5- or 7-series on the market, buddy, and he'll do the rest.

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localresident

Jan-19-14 12:21 PM

(cont'd)

No admin meddling, minimization of staffing, etc. that will (should) lead to streamlining while at the same time, giving your kids a decent education. Technology has marched on, and can make mergers be more effective with less duplicate processes.

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localresident

Jan-19-14 12:19 PM

"these districts stay open and don't consolidate are the epressd wishes of the taxpayers in those districts -- better known as the exercise of democracy"

Wrong. The reason mergers are denied or miserably fail at achieving their goals is due to misinformation of the boards, including faculty on what the correct path should be. Supers/ad,ins don't want to lose their jobs, so they hold steadfast they aren't going anywhere post-merger. Everybody else tries to explain how the duplication of services is needed and can't be lived without, all of which is entirely false. Merger plans are bloated and made in effective because that would mean less hands in the proverbial pie, and responsibility to students and taxpayers is tertiary at best, behind "OMG, what about the school mascot?!" Want to do a merger right? Have a third party draw up the paperwork. (cont'd)

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HaveANiceDay

Jan-19-14 10:22 AM

How about this. Forget vouchers. Instead just exempt parents of children attending an ACCREDITED private school from paying their local school taxes. That solves the "double tuition" problem.

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Dcronlg

Jan-19-14 9:29 AM

Our public school will not face bankruptcy -- the state won't allow it. It will allow the districts to levy taxes to the extent each district taxpayer can reasonably afford an then the state, with the Fed Govt, will pay the rest. That's how it works. So, no, stop the unwarranted scare-tactic BS nonsense, church lady gaggle OBSERVER board.

Two, the fact these districts stay open and don't consolidate are the epressd wishes of the taxpayers in those districts -- better known as the exercise of democracy. Peculiar how many, in the tradition of "monday-morning quarterbacking" FAIL to both realize and acknowledge this -- Westfield voters wanted nothing to do with Brocton and their self-determination wishes, via democracy, were upheld.

Democracy -- when it fundamentally does neither does harm nor injury to the minority, is what we are all about -- deal with it and move on.

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commentor

Jan-19-14 9:18 AM

Until mergers are forced it will never happen. If you have a school on the verge of bankruptcy bring in a fitness center. Just shows the ridiculous ends they will go to. It is NOT about the children it is about the salaries and benefits. They didn't want to merge and lose identity of sports teams. Mmmmm sports teams are merging.....was that a lie? Plain and simple it is about their money!!! Closing Gowanda should have been no surprise. You cannot keep a school open for 42 students. Send more students there....nice thought but how many can afford school taxes and tuition for catholic school. Make all schools tuitioned schools. Public and Private. If that were the case I bet catholic schools would be over flowing with students.

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Steiner

Jan-19-14 9:15 AM

hey psycho, conservatives could send thier kids to these schools but for one thing. You forgot as does christopher that we have then to pay for two tuitions. the public school one and the catholic school one. since your democratic teachers union fights vouchers and choice rabidly, it is you psycho who helped the decline of the parochial schools.you are not thinking clearly here psycho, but thats a liberal. Mock first, think later. i see it over and over here. croing, cade are the best at it.

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Steiner

Jan-19-14 9:08 AM

We are seeing what liberal largess has done to this area. The population is falling. Jobs disappearing. But, those libs in albany and DC still maintain course and speed like on Titanic. get rid of liberals and prosperity will return.

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DKexpat

Jan-19-14 8:42 AM

The article hit the proverbial nail on the head. Petty politics and parochialism trump what's best for both students and taxpayers.

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Psychofux

Jan-19-14 7:15 AM

Conservatives should support these schools by sending more of their children there. Maybe they didn't get the memo.

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Christopher

Jan-19-14 6:21 AM

I really hate to admit it, but I can't disagree with a single word of this.

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