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You’re a criminal? We owe you an education

February 26, 2014

Many of our children go to school, graduate and then seek out a college or university that will meet their educational and professional dreams as well as being affordabl....

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Regelski

Mar-10-14 2:23 PM

To the good Christians,libertarians, and Tearepublican trolls on this site (not that anything will change your ideological rants), but basic economics 101: the recidivism of convicts is drastically reduced by education! What is paid to provide their education is a small % of what otherwise goes into prison costs (very high), and a good investment in a community. You're bothered about the "free." Well, nothing is free. So you can spend money on prison (look at the stats of what it costs) or spend it on rehabilitation. Many of these convicts have been socially and economically disenfranchised by the market economy. and Christian charity alone might come into play. And what about the many social democracies in the world where higher education is free? (And prisons are educational?) How many kids do you have in college at one time? What if it all was "free"--where taxes would go to the support of the next generation of doctors?

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notalways

Feb-28-14 10:24 AM

This is the craziest idea I have heard. Please don't label it democratic idea cause I am one and hate it. We are just talking about one crazy man who is out of control!! I am sick and tired of doing the right thing, teaching my children to do the right thing, working hard, being law abiding, and having people at the top wasting my money!!! Behavior 101...pay attention to the behavior you want not the behavior you want to stop. Nothing for poor criminal behavior except BASIC needs like food, shelter, clothes, and medical.

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MikeDavis

Feb-27-14 11:02 PM

Does Cuomo have to submit to random drug screenings? It would be interesting to see what's in his (and every other politicians) systems.

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DKexpat

Feb-27-14 6:12 PM

MikeD, I heard the degrees will include:

BA in identity theft; MS in advanced breaking and entering; MBA (marketing concentration) in distribution of drugs; MMA in gang violence

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joew

Feb-27-14 4:48 PM

Only 0.7 percent of those incarcerated are because of minor drug infractions. The majority of those in jail for drug infractions are for serious and violent actions accompanying the use of drugs. Bottom line is that it's garbage and illegal.

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1Laona

Feb-27-14 12:54 PM

We could have a box when you file taxes.Check the box if you want to pay "Your fair share" for these "Progressive Ideas".Tally up how many boxes are checked and divide into the cost of the program.If you have a family of four paying no tax but filing for the "Earned Income Credit" to get $10,000 kick that in too.

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American

Feb-27-14 10:46 AM

Next up on the progressives agenda from what I just read is taxpayer-funded tuition for illegals. But what the heck the working families do not need it so let's just give it to everyone who is a criminal.

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MikeDavis

Feb-27-14 9:14 AM

jo, I agree about the minor drug charges. Ridiculous, all that has done is become a huge money pit for taxpayers. And the double standard of crack versus powder cocaine is a testament to stupidity.

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Dcronlg

Feb-27-14 9:00 AM

jo1952 -- nice job.

Of course, many of these commenters see the world in only black-and-white terms...and that's their problem: some are white and all the others are, you know...black.

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DarkStar

Feb-27-14 8:50 AM

jo1952,

Very well put!

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jo1952

Feb-27-14 8:20 AM

Deloniak, it is not necessary to make personal attacks against the writer. It does nothing to advance your argument, actually diminishes what you are saying. Don't be a Steiner. Hey, where is he? Could it be he can't admit he agrees with a gal?

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jo1952

Feb-27-14 8:17 AM

Regelski, you ask why we have such a large prisoners population? The Draconian drug laws in America is the answer. Many are in jail for simple possession of pot. MikeDavis many of those are non-violent, and once released, permanently banned from getting student aid for college. You can commit a violent crime and go to college once released, but even if you commit a misdemeanor drug crime you will never get aid for college. The biggest problem with our prison system is our drug laws.

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MikeDavis

Feb-26-14 10:17 PM

If any of you think the cost of a college education in prison is going to be 5,000 taxpayer dollars I have some land for sale. What non-violent, non-sexual, non-drug related charges get's someone sent to prison? White collar crime, but those people probably already have a degree. I wonder how long before this is the new way for the underprivileged to get their college education. It's pretty easy to see the difference of 100,000 in student loan debt versus four years for attempted robbery and a paid for degree. "What are you in for?" "I'm looking at a BA in engineering, you?" "I'm here for a BS in social science" "Nice!"

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Deloniak

Feb-26-14 9:15 PM

By the way...as we were all commenting and reading such a horribly written article and the authors retarded stance...the county home was sold. I'm sure John D'agostino is popping champagne bottles now.

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Deloniak

Feb-26-14 9:02 PM

I agree with Christopher's initial statement and NYS should follow the lead of California and allow non-violent, non-sexual and non drug related misdemeanors and felons to have their records expunged

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Deloniak

Feb-26-14 8:58 PM

From asking applicants about their criminal past NYS requires most employees to do background check. So what is the point of giving an inmate a college degree if they have disclose their criminal past because once disclosed...no employer is going to hire them anyways...despite the degree. NYS wouuld safe a lot of time and hassle by following California and Buffalos lead and ban the box and prohibit employees in certain fields from asking about ones criminal past. It would save a lot of many and should satisfy retards like Westling and her Hitleresque views.

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joew

Feb-26-14 8:20 PM

How about this for an idea,STOP breaking the law!!

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killers

Feb-26-14 6:55 PM

Christopher has a good point, lets go a little further and have a adopt a criminal program. Lets bring them into our homes and show them compassion and love. Or how about if they are sent to prison they are punished and may it unbearable to where they do not want to be there again. Lets see, no college, no cable, no play time and the most outrageous thought have them do hard manual labor.

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DarkStar

Feb-26-14 5:22 PM

Christopher,

I would agree, this used to be done regularly, but early versions of political correctness put a stop to them.

In our past courts often used embarrassment/shame as a teaching tool on those breaking the law, but on the rare occasions a judge tries to use it now the lawsuits start by those groups more interested in protecting criminals then keep people from being victimized by them.

Regelski,

I think a large part of our current crime problem can be traced directly to groups pushing the idea that the individual isn't responsible for their conditions and/or actions. If your poor it's not your fault, it's prejudice, or evil companies/CEO/1% fault.

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commentor

Feb-26-14 1:55 PM

The way public schools are going kids won't qualify to go to college. He takes money from schools and gives it to prisoners. Then even if they can go to college there are no jobs. Jobs are disappearing every day. Just another Democrat ruining the country. Pray Trump runs for Governor. I highly doubt he will be giving college educations to prisoners.

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Christopher

Feb-26-14 12:39 PM

We were partially founded by extremist religions booted out of Europe for their intolerance. That same rigid, puritanical streak still runs deeply in our psyche.

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Regelski

Feb-26-14 11:06 AM

The author doesn't mention the greatly lower recidivism rates of former prisoners in, for example, Nordic countries where where "penology" (the root comes from being "penitent," hence "penitentiary") is treated not as a punishment but as an opportunity to reeducate and re-introduce people to society in productive ways. Comparisons of penology b country are instructive. Factoid: the US, has 5% of the world's population, but almost 25% of the world's population in jail. Why is that? What's the problem with the US that results in such statistics? Possibly social and economic inequality? Education? Lack of a social safety net? Lack of social cooperation? A "me" culture vs. a "we" culture?' In Japan, it is typical for criminals to turn themselves in to the police out of public shame. Other countries have little crime to begin with and are, relative to the US, safe to live in. No gated communities with guards, etc. Why is that? Tr

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Christopher

Feb-26-14 9:58 AM

How about this for an idea, we STOP placing non-violent, minor offenders in jail, stop giving them criminal records, and find alternative means to deal with them BEFORE they go to prisons, better known as schools for crimes.

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