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Businesses worried about Carriage House’s pending closure

March 22, 2014

The community is feeling the loss of the Carriage House after it was announced Wednesday the factory would close and its operations shipped to Buckner, Ky., Sylvester, Ga. and Streator, Il....

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Christopher

Mar-23-14 5:41 PM

"Numbers here are easily askewed when you factor in the large minority population that would rather take a handout than earn an honest days living." Well Chadstrong88, you sure moved to the right place! You join the local clan yet? By the way, I was in Rock City a few times in the last couple of years, and it IS booming! You know why? Because tons of people who work in Charlotte, NC are moving there to avid the rising taxes in NC, another non-union bastion of the South. Why did those taxers rise? Easy, population growth. More people, more services need and more money to pay for them. Union or not, 50 employees cost half as much as 100 employees. NC had it's boom time, and now they're treading water. It happens. Ever been to Barnwell or Gaffney? I have, many times, and I have to tell you, neither is booming. Just like NY, NYC, all of the counties surrounding it, are doing very well. The northern counties don't have any people! Look at the demographics!

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Christopher

Mar-23-14 4:38 PM

Not hardly concerned, I have yet to mention my inventions, the Steinotron or make anti-women remarks.

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ChadStrong88

Mar-23-14 1:38 PM

My intention is not to glamorize Charleston as I would be nieve to say things here aren't without our own set of problems. However, the stable economy isn't centralized in Charleston, but also encompasses other economically sound areas such as Spartangurg, Rock Hill, Columbia, and many more for that matter. Numbers here are easily askewed when you factor in the large minority population that would rather take a handout than earn an honest days living. The other end of the spectrum includes housing growth and development up 26% in 2013, and an 8.5% increase over that already this year. Being a right to work state with a reasonable tax structure makes SC very appealing for business, both big and small, and the rewards trickle down to the working class. WNY is a beautiful and historic area and it disheartens me to see the direction it is heading as more and more businesses pull out of the area, and the trickle down effect of the unemployment thereafter.

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PhilJulian

Mar-23-14 11:46 AM

On one occasion I was flipping through the channels and I came upon a debate among three candidates for the governorship of Indiana. One candidate said "I'll tell you how bad things are in Indiana. We are in the process of losing a major employer to New York State". With that comment all three candidates had a hearty laugh. The point is that New York State is a joke and the rest of the country is having a good laugh. How did we get to be the enemy of business and investors? Maybe it has something to do with public sector unions and excessive taxation! There can be no better example of public union and tax generated destruction than Chautauqua County.

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concerned

Mar-23-14 9:39 AM

Paul is beginning to ramble like steiner did

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Christopher

Mar-23-14 7:24 AM

If you want a great example of why you can't judge a state by visiting one single area, especially your typical vacation spots, compare NYC and it's locales, Long Island and such, to western NY. A difference in the economy you think? So, based on what a lot of people are saying in reply to some of my posts, you're all nuts and there's NOTHING wrong in NYS and we're BOOMING!! Same, EXACT logic, and totally ignores business and government statistics on income, job growth, education, healthcare, housing...you know, all those niggling little facts that get inn the way of a good fairy tale. You can't have it both ways, the same small world view applies here as well as SC or Kentucky or anywhere else. A clear case of "The Blind Men and the Elephant"

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Christopher

Mar-23-14 6:42 AM

Concerned, I put my job at risk over issues while I was working more time than I can count, in efforts to defend others or to at least attempt righting wrongs, like placing sex offenders in group homes without letting anyone in the community know. I invoked a "whistle blower clause" while at a meeting with every upper level manager in the facility in attendance. Yes, there might be people who have to hide or lose their job, but if you think that's the case for all, even most, on these pages, you're wrong. Trolls is the word. By the way, I probably wouldn't judge ANY area by visiting its vacation spots a few weeks a year. But that's just me.

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MatthiasJ

Mar-23-14 12:39 AM

(cont.) a rough ride right now also. All these little bugs need to consolidate and get rid of excessive layers of government that have taxpayers paying double for duplication of many services. The prosperity of the 50's and 60's everyone talks about is gone forever because of bloated governments.

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MatthiasJ

Mar-23-14 12:32 AM

Carriage House has been owned by the other Mega company out of St. Louis for a number of years... when the name Changed from Redwing to Carriage and they had planned to move the most profitable to Bucknor before Con Agra pulled a hostile takeover. The same as they planned to move the best lines of Petri Cookies to their 2 huge cookie plants in Wisconsin, Con Agra just finished the jobs and as far as stripping the plants that's what they do. They move the newest equipment to their facilities and sell the rest leaving an empty building, I don't know why everyone is so shocked, the hand writing was on the wall when they closed the salad dressing plant and then the cold storage building in Dunkirk. Jobs 450 is nothing compared to what Silver Creek faces. They have already lost 390 between Petri's and 150 so far from Lakeshore. If it is not purchased to run as a hospital there will be a total of 700 jobs not counting the trickle down effect in less than a year. I hear Remtronics is having

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Buffalo2

Mar-22-14 10:36 PM

Are you really comparing Charleston, SC to Fredonia, NY ? When was the last time you actually seen new housing construction ? A trailer placed in a field doesn’t count. The people of WNY are truly the "salt of the earth” but the term “rust belt” to describe the area is spot on.

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joew

Mar-22-14 9:57 PM

Sick person!

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concerned

Mar-22-14 9:21 PM

Christopher let me say upfront I hate Ronald Reagan for single handedly destroying the industrial might of this country and given the opportunity I would urinate on his grave maybe even #2 if I needed to go! That being said you have a very short memory when Reagan took office unions where at their pinnacle of power and we had runaway inflation. What did our ( I was a union member at the time) do they got cost of living escalator clauses put into our contracts this only fueled inflation ( don't public employee unions still have these?)this is truly the nail in the coffin for unions. How come you don't show any statistics on this? As to not posting their names many people could lose their jobs as I recall I don't remember any writings from you until you retired and your pension was safe so don't throw stones now!

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joew

Mar-22-14 7:50 PM

Simply google the top five best and worst states for business. Just because a company is making a profit in the aggregate,doesn't mean that all units are profitable. The company made a decision based in all probability on several factors one of which I'm sure was the fiscal environment in which the local units operate in. I am not aware of any requirement that a corporation give any more notice(they gave more than required by law) than what was given so I don't see how any arm of local/regional government could have prevented something they were not aware of? Having said all that I do feel for those losing their means of providing a living,have no doubt about that!

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Carlaw

Mar-22-14 7:00 PM

We have spent the winters in SC for the past 12 years and you could have fooled me! It's booming down here and has not been as hard hit as NY State. I can't attest to all the other states Christopher mentioned but things are great in SC. Judeye makes some very good points. Locally, Questions need to be asked and things need to change in a hurry. We need a plan and can't just keep floating along with our fingers crossed.

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joew

Mar-22-14 6:09 PM

Any reason why you must tell less than the truth about my excursion into PA fracking country? Oh I forgot that is your modus operandi isn't it. Why is it you shop at Walmart since they are after all the pinnacle of your corporation greed BS right?

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Christopher

Mar-22-14 4:09 PM

Once again Joey plays his exact same game. What I posted is accurate data. Charleston is not all of SC, and Charlotte is not all of NC. There are pockets of prosperity throughout the country, including New York. But pockets don't make a whole set of pants, do they? Statistics on the number of people without insurance and living well below the poverty line are easily attainable, and you don't have to live in any of those paces to find them. But the heck with facts, Joey cvan just pay a weekend visit to PA, talk to a few of the locals, and proclaim all the data about Fracking to be false and to declare it a large scale economic success. Not bad, Joey, not bad at all. My point is, New York State is not the only state by far with issues, and it doesn't even make the bottom 10 for poorest economies. Those are FACTS. And I have more than a few friends living in the Carolina's, many areas have suffered job losses. But that's ok, you go ahead and ignore the real issues.

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ChadStrong88

Mar-22-14 3:52 PM

ions you may have.

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hadenough

Mar-22-14 3:52 PM

Dunkirk is a microcosm of NYS. High taxes. A state that has some of the most powerful unions that will bleed a business to death. Gasoline prices that are on par with California. Companies know this. Why do you think Cuomo is offering 10 year tax free time for a business to come to New York and set up. Which is no deal and business knows this. Dunkirks last hope is Cott and in my opinion Dolce should move his office there so he will be on top of things instead of taxpayer funded trips to Albany. They sure paid off didn't they? And I would just about bet that with news a Northern Water district is history. But hey, we still got music on the pier.

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ChadStrong88

Mar-22-14 3:50 PM

I couldn't resist commenting, especially how I currently reside in one of the "third world countries" that was mentioned in an earlier comment. I would even go out on a limb and say that I might have one of the most unbiased opinions as I still have family in the area and visit frequently throughout the year. As someone who has spent equal parts of my life in both Charleston, SC and Fredonia, I would like to extend an open invitation to Christopher or any others to come visit this state any time. Contrary to what you may have heard, you just might be shocked at the sight of what a thriving economy actually looks like. This is in no small thanks to industry giants such a Boeing, Cooper Tire, Michelin, and BMW to name just a few. I know it's easy to google unemployment numbers and then spew your "facts" about how dismal things are below the PA border. However, a quick drive outside of your area code to other parts of the country would surely clear up any misconcept

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kcw007

Mar-22-14 3:32 PM

Both the City of Buckner KY, and Oldham County, have medium household incomes of around $82,000, about double of this region. Doesn't sound like some place out in the sticks! What I can't figure out is the male/female population ration of Buckner. According to the several sources I checked (I thought the 1st one was a misprint) there are approx. 4,375 males and 1,462 females! Is there a men's prison in Buckner?

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Buffalo2

Mar-22-14 3:10 PM

Don’t worry a country boy (and girl) can survive.

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commentor

Mar-22-14 2:45 PM

FedUpTaxpayer....pay attention ConAgra has already said they will NOT be offering anyone a job in Kentucky or anywhere else. They claim the closure is because of loss of product sales. They are going to close and strip the plant and leave an empty building.

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joew

Mar-22-14 2:18 PM

Better to remain silent pauly than make utterly uneducated remarks right? Just a question pauly,which of those states have you lived in say in the past 10-15 years? That you can copy and post(like Judeye)means only that you can be selective and pick only the biased remarks that fit your anti business agenda.

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localresident

Mar-22-14 12:11 PM

FedUp, SHHHHH!! Quit giving details about states that parents of kids in NY tell them to move to. KY is an evil empire now that they went to the lengths they did, their personal assault on Fredonia is nothing more than a chance to break this small town in WNY. It even got Christopher to abandon WNy for Florida, a state he so very much hates...except for the health and economic benefits, mind you. Nothing to see here folks! Carry on....

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localresident

Mar-22-14 12:05 PM

"What are you?...A disgruntled steelworker..."

Doubtful. They can't spell.

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