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Hundreds attend rally supporting Carriage House workers

May 30, 2014

Chants of “If you care, please be fair,” and “The people united will never be defeated,” filled downtown Fredonia Thursday in an attempt to save hundreds of local jobs from leaving the area....

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tjefson

May-31-14 9:31 PM

Concerned, they get these bonuses because it so easy to spend other peoples money. We are 18 trillion in debt and these people are handing out bonuses. Shame on these people. They have absolutely no regard for the future generations of this country. History will look at the current generation as extremely selfish people.

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concerned

May-31-14 3:21 PM

I have yet to understand why any public employee in any position at any level should receive one cent in bonus pay????? This is nothing short of robbery!!!! This also includes elected positions.

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tjefson

May-31-14 9:39 AM

judeye, if you want to put a muzzle on Bob Corker, you better put one on Obama too.

Anyone take notice of all the public union employees falsifying records at the VA Hospitals to get a bonus for doing average work. They claimed to be seeing patients within 24 hours, with a target time of 14 hours. The Inspector General found that in reality it was 125 hours for the patients to be seen. For falsifying reports these employees should be fired, fined and escorted to prison. They won't. Instead they will be reprimanded and still receive their annual increase in pay.

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tjefson

May-31-14 8:56 AM

The only place unions still have a stronghold is in the public sector. Even here, when people are given a choice, they often opt out against being part of the union. In Wisconsin, Governor Walker has made a dent in the monopolies employed by unions. In one sector,I think the janitorial and custodian service, 80% of the former unionized workers elected to drop their union membership. When people are given a choice, often they want no part of this attack on our American cities by the public unions. The Dems and public unions destroyed Detroit. This is the eventual outcome of public unions. The math takes you there every time.

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tjefson

May-31-14 8:45 AM

judeye, the management at the VW plant in Tennessee gave the UAW exclusive rights to court the workers for a year so they would vote in favor of the union. Management actually wanted the union to be voted in because all the plants in Europe are unionized. This can eventually cause potential problems down the road for VW. Despite this propaganda machine by the union at the VW plant in Tennessee, they still voted against joining the UAW. The workers looked at Detroit and asked themselves, do we want to be part of that? The workers were smarter than management.

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tjefson

May-31-14 8:35 AM

Captain, the UAW workers were given a 5K Christmas bonus at GM while still owing the American taxpayers over 20 billion dollars. The structured bankruptcy seen bondholders end up with pennies on the dollar and the taxpayers losing 10 billion on the money used to bail them out. These bondholders were Mom and Pops who were told to invest in America (GM) and play if safe, avoiding the stock market. Their retirement savings wiped out.

Then we see the audacity of public workers in Chautauqua County to continue to get increases in this economic environment. Unions once served a purpose, but now they have become burdensome. They are as guilty as anyone else on buying votes for favors later.

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Captain

May-31-14 8:08 AM

judeye: add Sen Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) to the list of names you noted who support Right to Work laws. Both Corker & Shelby were loud opponents against the govt's plan to bailout GM & Chrysler, which coincidently, would've greatly benefited TN & AL had Congress rejected the plan. And yes tj, serious concessions were approved by the UAW in return for the bailout money.

These pols are bought & paid for by big business. When unions become a faded memory, and workers have no options to protect & preserve the gains of organized labor, we'll start witnessing a steadier decline in wages & bennies, and ALL middle class, low-level mgmt in ALL domestic industries will be equally AND negatively affected. The ignorance voiced on these pages is truly amazing.

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judeye

May-31-14 7:31 AM

Teddy Roosevelt...

"He distrusted wealthy businessmen and dissolved 44 monopolistic corporations as a "trust buster." He took care, however, to show that he did not disagree with trusts and capitalism in principle, but was only against their corrupt, illegal practices."

Do you know the history of our Country? How the greedy will take it all if we allow them? How some stand up to the greed and corruption and FOR the people.

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judeye

May-31-14 7:26 AM

unions as we seen in Tennessee when the workers voted against joining the UAW at the VW Plant.

and some of us wonder why those politicians who came out an lied to the workers...with threats such as if you vote for a union the company will close (the company WELCOMED the union btw)....can you say union busting? anti labor?

"statements from Tennessee politicians such as Sen. Bob Corker (R), Gov. Bill Haslam (R), and State Sen. Bo Watson (R) against the vote among Volkswagen (VW) workers to potentially form a union were “a clear violation of the law"

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kcw007

May-31-14 4:54 AM

Sorry, I was mistaken as to the 15% ROI on the NYS Pension fund investments. It actually was 13.02%, which bested the previous year's return of 10.4%.

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kcw007

May-31-14 4:45 AM

And didn't the NYS pension fund just recently report an extraordinary investment return, something on the order of ......fifteen percent?! If Congara's ROI of 4.94% is viewed as "greedy", what does that make the state pension fund ROI, 3X's that of Conagra, look like? WOW!

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kcw007

May-30-14 9:30 PM

RE: Localresident's 5:39 post: "They are not making a landslide of cash considering what they took in". Exactly, during their last reported quarter, Conagra's net profit for the period would amount to a whole 4.94% ROI on an annual basis. True, that's substantially better than the miserable results a just several quarters previous, but as ROI's go in general, it's nothing get excited about; and hardly "greedy" by industry standards. The food industry has traditionally provided only modest return rates, if only because it's highly competitive. On the upside, as the business involves "staples" (everybody has to eat), returns tend to fluctuate less than some other ventures ie. automotive or that classic example, aluminum siding. That's the nature of the food business.

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tjefson

May-30-14 9:18 PM

Captain, the unions are free to buy any company. If they can make it in this environment all the more power to them. FYI corporation don't profit every year as we seen with GM, I don't see the unions giving anything back when the corporation is unsuccessful. Also, isn't it the owners of these companies that are assuming all the risk. The same can be said for the taxpayers and public unions. It seems to me the union philosophy is to get the best of both worlds with a denial of all the dynamics involved. Tell me why this group should be shielded from the economic reality felt by most everyone else. How many shares of ConAgra do the public pension plans have. Its a vicious cycle and the unions play a major part in companies decision making. The companies are all moving to right to work state. Workers in these state don't even want unions as we seen in Tennessee when the workers voted against joining the UAW at the VW Plant. Public unions are now these thugs pot of gold.

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concerned

May-30-14 8:55 PM

So judeye I am really curious what is your solution to this corporate greed or is this a lib banner you wave and have no solution for????

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Captain

May-30-14 8:45 PM

"Our problem is not big business - our problem is big government."

Phil: Corporate giants like ConAgra buy out small competitors to gain mkt share and increase profits. We all know that CH was a local & PROFITABLE company that provided many jobs to area residents, but ConAgra couldn't have cared less. Sure, operating costs (labor, utilities, taxes, etc) vary from state to state, but ConAgra agreed to buy CH w/the sole intent of closing it down!!! You can blame big gov't and/or unions for higher costs, but IMO, this is a clear example of how corporate greed works, showing absolutely no regard for the communities they help destroy. My revenge is to do my best to NEVER buy or consume ANY products made by ConAgra, EVER! Of course, local investors will keep buying stock in companies like CAG, even though it just dropped a well-planned economic bomb on their own hometown. I wonder if Phil ever invested in foreign steel?

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American

May-30-14 7:18 PM

You needed a down arrow after your last sentence hadenough.

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hadenough

May-30-14 7:12 PM

Where do the raw materials for Carriage House come from? How are these raw materials delivered to Dunkirk and Fredonia? My guess is down South and I don't mean southern New York. And I am going out on a limb here and say the raw materials are delivered by truck. Trucks require maintenance and fuel. Also, drivers who are willing to make deliveries in blowing snow storms. The worker well he/she lives close to the plant. If the trucks are late due to weather production stops or slows down resulting in profit loss and workers sent home because of no work. I am amazed at the number of people who have no idea what goes into manufacturing.

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judeye

May-30-14 6:20 PM

Those pennies add up when you own stock. Gosh do any of you have any investments? You buy low and sell high. It is capital gains.

Closing price...1994 $14.25 a $17.33 PROFIT on each stock owned 2010 $24.18.a $7.40 gain

I hope you all know most people who invest in a company do not just buy one share. Fact is, the company has made money for investors. Which is good. My point is they are making money right here in Fredonia. It is only increased profits..or to eliminate competition that they are moving.

BTW I do not hate business or making profits. I have greatly benefited from capital gains over the years. Especially when the stocks split!

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localresident

May-30-14 5:39 PM

Currently, a single share of ConAgra stock is $32.30. A 56 cent profit on top of that each year (and that is by no means a guarantee) is just what it seems: pennies. ConAgra spent $15.5 Billion in 2013 to make a couple hundred million. They are not making any landslide of cash considering what they took in total.

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localresident

May-30-14 5:32 PM

Judeye, if a bunch of people get together and purchase the plant, now who will be the greedy ones? Someone will have to oversee everything, they will still likely need a Pres/V.P. & staff that know how to deal with the ins/outs of business regulations and executive work, along with the production crews. Also, they will have to find customers to sell their product to, and put everything in place from HR to custodial to raw materials, etc. the food business is not a large-margin business, and would be a very risky venture from get-go. Get enough people together, and maybe, just maybe something could happen. But, it will take a big number of them to come up with the cash to get that off the ground.

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PhilJulian

May-30-14 5:19 PM

JUDEYE there are many people locally who share your attitude and philosophy toward big business. That,s probably why we have so little big business. I do not own con Agra stock but if I did I would expect them to manufacture in the most cost effective locations. Our problem is not big business - our problem is big government.

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commentor

May-30-14 5:16 PM

Here's your chance blindeye.....start your rally and invite everyone who wants to buy the plant and operate as a privately owned company.

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American

May-30-14 5:13 PM

There she goes again whining about the profits of corporations. Da*n near a one trick pony isn't she.

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judeye

May-30-14 2:01 PM

tjefson...I am serious .. everyone should think about buying it. Why not...other plants have been bought by employees....and have proven to be quite successful.

Locally owned and operated. I would invest in it. Investing in my own community and my neighbors, friends and family.

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judeye

May-30-14 1:57 PM

PhilJulian..have you read their PROFIT margins?

Good grief..seriously when is enough enough for these companies?

They earned doubled what had been projected. DOUBLE

For some reason that was not quite enough.

Used to be a time when some companies felt some loyalty to their workers. Looks like those days are gone..in the name of GREED.

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