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A few degrees matter a lot

August 9, 2014

The OBSERVER recently published two columns charging those who believe that human activity is changing the earth’s climate to be “global warming cultists” who have fallen prey to “charlatans,......

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DKexpat

Aug-11-14 9:01 AM

"stupid dk refutes nothing"

How's this? I refute the existence of your steinmirage - that "marvelous device" which saves 25% in fuel AND cures cancer - all in one box!

Prove me wrong...nut job.

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Steiner

Aug-10-14 6:58 AM

or another way of looking at it. All of life is sustained by 3 male inventors or businessman. they would be tesla, rockefeller and haber. for the world runs on tesla alternating current. his motor is ubiquitous, it drives nearly all the industrial processes. The world runs on heat. std oil started it all and that influence is enormous and continues also to this day. Habers ammonia process feeds half the world and uses teslas motors and hydrogen stripped from natural gas. these 3 guys, a definate non mass of humanity have altered life forever and they all died about the same time. so mike, your quote that the mass of people alone proves climate change is strangely sustained by ony 3 guys ! if you want electrcity, food and oil, that is.still think the masses are correct ? then also explain how the masses missed the swinging lantern galileo saw and from that science launched . where were your masses mike ? where are the masses in the nobel prizes? lets hear it liberals ?

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Steiner

Aug-10-14 6:48 AM

stupid dk refutes nothing, but posts a quip. so science is now hot air eh dk? More for the libs. the masses are correct they say.this is a good one. so if the masses are correct, then the lack of women and minorities in science and business, which together they out number the white males is a good thing ! the white males are in the minority ! we need the NOW organization to adopt that policy instead of crying help, we need more women in business ! what for ? the males are in the minority anyways !the lack of gals and minorities proves that less mind power, but more people by sheer numbers, is accepted by a liberal ! just look at cemetery and see all the males dying before their mates ! and still, still the women and minorities ned help ! are ya all there liberals ?

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DKexpat

Aug-09-14 11:11 PM

If steinerror would stop blowing so much hot air, that'd stop global warming all by itself. :-)

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tjefson

Aug-09-14 10:19 PM

Even if these so called experts are correct, unless the international community implements the same changes the overall impact will be small. As we see, it does put us at a considerable economical disadvantage so we see more jobs leave the US. Corporations are not necessarily fond of jumping through hoops to be in compliance with government rules and regulations.

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Nathan

Aug-09-14 9:29 PM

The greenhouse movement couldn't steal but they could rob. I don't believe it from the things I have reviewed... It is sheer policy driven in the hopes to generate the next industrial revolution. The problem is... You can want something, but you may not find it affordable, or feasible. If the US wanted clean energy it would have gone more nuclear to fit our needs.

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American

Aug-09-14 6:59 PM

Got to stop climate change "Climate change is racist according to Democratic Congressman Keith Ellison who, though he represents a district in frequently frigid Minnesota, managed to tweet in April: “Communities of color are more vulnerable to deaths from heat waves, which climate change will make worse." It seems it is racist.

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Steiner

Aug-09-14 9:30 AM

hey mike in case you missed it. the masses vs the few.In WW1, haber goes to the front to gas the enemy. noone had any idea what was to happen, the twisted genius here unleashes mustard gas or straight chlorine. either way it is death.one genius against the masses. painful slow deaths result. the genius haber goes back to the labs and makes explosives from Nitrogen in air. Him and bosch bankrupt the chilean nitrate salt mines. so much for the masses. habers work led to the infamous zyklon insecticides and other pesticides.one man, a genius , a man after my own heart who i also idolize, altered the world long after his death in 1937. his stupid wife suicides. you were saying about the masses mike.the masses are stupid, fodder for the genius types like haber,tesla and others. fact mike, fact.

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Steiner

Aug-09-14 9:18 AM

so the physicists say there must be nested levels of reality, string theory. the ancients knew this way back, see collosians 1 :16 . things visible and invisble, newtonian and heisenberg we call it. in that list we have the air glow layer and also what is behind the vacuum fluctuations we see all the time in empty space, which is not really empty. the ancients knew all this as they used strong force to build all the wonders they did. cuz this knowledge is very hard to understand , it was known only to the few, the priests, the masses were fodder and clueless mike. this is science, not the junk stuff you libs are forcing down our throats.you are literally denying reality, besides, the hottest year was 1932. the libs are jumpimg through hoops to exlain the no rise in temp after a rise in co2

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Steiner

Aug-09-14 8:48 AM

to all the libs i say where are you ? you know, like the old tv show, car 54, where are you ? answer, in the house for the mentally ill ! the democratic house. and we are unionized too ! right paul ? so mike, it has always been the few, not the masses that ae correct. the many idolized hitler for his eugenics till it was known how far he actually took it. them some serious backpedalling occured. those masses, ever ignorant and ever the fool. it was tesla who changed america , haier and his air conditioners, the masses of democrats were using punkas, human powered fans to cool. they were what i always call democrats, sweating, stinking and stupid ! the good old south and its glory days ! they unionized too, they called it the confederacy,all those masses of rebels cant be wrong ! a stunning success to the libs ! right paul ?

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Steiner

Aug-09-14 8:37 AM

now anyone can build an accelerator if you are clever enough.some of the gals i know when seeing what i was doing asked what it was i was building. A rough equivalent to CERN i said. they had NO idea of what i was doing but were demonstrating for womens choices to keep women healthy, but not wealthy due to income inequality. after many years i discovered a thing missed, the maguffin.the earth is an OPEN system, cosmic energy, including that dark energy the physicists know of but dont know how to tap. of course, the masses are correct and i am wrong , like heisenberg and bohr, the greatest minds of all time. so we know from the lightning sprites that the weather is cosmic, the air glow layer is in action. dark matter or energy, pure heiesenberg in character is acting on the erath. so to call deniers like me flat earthers is to be the stupidist of all peoples, the masses who dont understand science at all ! the liberals ! see why they teach your kids in school ? To make them stupid !

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Steiner

Aug-09-14 8:25 AM

for all you stupid liberals, this is the clincher, the thing that sinks you on the spot while you call people like me flat earthers for disagreeing with the scam of co2 climate change . get the book present at the creation by amir aczel. in it you will find an easy to understand description of just what science says about the world we live in. it is definately not tha masses talking here mike . see pg 28, heisenberg is mentioned. his principle is one of the least understood by the masses mike.MIKE TELL HEISENBERG he was WRONG, WRONG . the masses are correct.and especially those liberals ! name me a liberal program gone awry mike, you know , the civil war, KKK, jim corw, war on poverty, all successes eh mike ? on p 187, read about dark matter, something is lurking in the universe, something very essential but missing ino present day physics. they are worried folks. fot the libs, that something AINT co2. bohr and heisenberg say it is there, mike says they are wrong.go mike, paul too !

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Steiner

Aug-09-14 8:11 AM

hey chuck, i have seen the problem you describe. the ads in tv are only for worse case scenarios. hey posters, before you replace any 120 volt appliance like a frig, get a kilowatt meter. they are about 25 bucks. they are called kill a watt meters. I have seen 40 year old refrigerators use the same current or KWHs as a new frig ! Yes ! so i advised them not to replace the frig. these things are available thru the mail. its worth the 25 dollars you spent on them. many of my friends have borrowed mine and were amazed at what actually used what in terms of KWH. i have a 50 year old air conditioner that uses the same KWH and power factor as a brand new energy star unit at = btu . Yes ! I have the best in test equipment so i know what i have in the circuit. someone disagree with this quick !

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Steiner

Aug-09-14 7:52 AM

so paul, what part of my co2 and water vapor argument did ya miss ? that if co2 and water were equal it is a wash in the air as we get co2 and water from do you actually know anything ?impress us paul, give us a quip, a quote like dk, steinerdzz like cronig, the liberals are here. thats why i sold over a hundred million bucks in chemicals around the world to unsuspecting people like you paul.everyday you libs upon arising should look in a mirror and say to yourself, not everyone is as stupid as me !for liberals are surely stupid people ! thats why you unionized ! and you udse govt force to get your will. noonne, but noone was forced to buy my stuff, they sold on their merits, unlike you teacher union folks, force is all you know ! hey paul, my lifesaving chemical has offset in $ amount the debt you union folk ran up in detroit ! yeah ! A fact from mighty pertrochem for pauls loser unions ! paul you know so very little but think you know a lot. thats what liberals do ! huff and puff!

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Chuck392

Aug-09-14 7:49 AM

"Today's refrigerators use one-quarter the energy of those manufactured a generation ago."

Simply NOT true. Replaced all my old appliances with new "energy star" ones and my electric usage went up, considerably! What a joke.

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Steiner

Aug-09-14 7:41 AM

hey stupid christopher, just how do ya think all those petrochem products are made and verified if a problem arises ? you are unreachable with facts. known facts, used all the time. i even saw on tv the computer printout showing NO so called death chemical on the casey anthony trial. yep, analytical science freed her. there were masses of demonstrtators outside demanding she be found guilty! Yeah, those masses wrong again.so stupid paul, you can enjoy the life you have cuz of the science in nobels and petrochem.t o post a comment like you just did shows how UTTERLY stupid you are ! thats a democrat and i believe you love unions too ! And you miss all the bankruptcies unions are forcing on america ! so paul, a mere diasgreeing with no facts is nothing at all , its being a liberal ! did ya understand this ? Need a union steward ? what is it with you lbs and facts ? You cant understand them !

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Steiner

Aug-09-14 7:32 AM

so mike, do ya think the masses are wrong here, got an inkling of that ? they are ! you may need a teacher, a govt stooge to help you understand this. or join the LWV where mental illness is normal ! they are always worrying about something. so mike, sit back and let the genius guys like steiner do the science.i know its tough when you are liberal, the govt, the govt did everything , well that and diversity, those women and minorites ! Yeah ! but that aint the facts.america was green energy based till 1865. forests and whales disappearing. petrol saved the whale ! liberals kill babies ! oh it was a distinct few again that started petrol notably john d rockefeller,he destroyed ida tarbells father business too, he is one of my greatest idols besides the NOW people. those NOW people sure are smart ! All those nobels and science achievments !

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Christopher

Aug-09-14 7:26 AM

You're preaching Christian dogma in a Muslim Church, Mike. Check out responses 1-4, I rest my case. It'll get worse as the day passes.

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Steiner

Aug-09-14 7:23 AM

mike, i spent nearly 40 years in petrochem. I LOVE chemicals ! They are more useful than any govt employee or even a feminist ! Yes ! when people questioned my results like you would cuz i worked for industry i always gave them independent labs for them to test. guess what ? EVERY independent lab verified petrochem my work. why would this be ? Cuz no chemist wants to go to jail or court and found to be a liar.i know its tough when you are saying greed ! Is there a nobel for saying that liberal ?so by now you should see that the masses are wrong. the few are the greats. the masses are cannon fodder like they were for Haber and his chemical warfare work in WW1. he fathered chemical warfare but also made fertilizer from nitrogen in the air. his wife suicided to be green i bet.go gals !

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Steiner

Aug-09-14 7:14 AM

so mike, look in the yellow pages under analytical services, you wil find a few places listed. then look up physicians and you wil find pages of them. there are fewer analytical guys than physicians. when tests are ordered analytical guys do the tests and issue the reports.the MDs then prescribe stuff or order more tests. Now EVERY energy or chemical producer has its own analytical lab. of course in your small mind they are all on the take. cuz they work for petrochem. but there are also independent testing labs , again few in number that can verify any thing the big petrochem guys do. in analytical science , you cant fudge much if at all cuz there is ALWAYS another lab willing to retest. plus the makers of the machines have huge computer files of every thing ever made. so you tell them, you are all wrong, the liberals are correct cuz there is more of them !

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Steiner

Aug-09-14 7:07 AM

so you say the many are correct, wrong again. look at the boys club of science, the nobel prize winners. a mere handful of GUYS , mostly,this burns the gals to no end, income inequality , yeah !, have invented stuff and changed the world.dont believe me ? see Fritz haber, heisenberg and others. they belong to an elite club. their names enshrined forever. but to you mike, they are wrong ,the masses are correct ! its tough being ignorant aint it ? remember when the masses of peak oilers and gassers said we were going to run out of petrol ? and we were going to starve !that was the accepted belief mike ! guess what, they were wrong, the green revolution, coupled with habers fertilizer nobel, fracking too and teslas AC power keeps feeding us . you must have forgot that in the liberal science of ignoring or forgeting important facts. the masses were wrong on this too! So were the experts.is this science enough for you mike ? does it meet the regime's standards ?

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Steiner

Aug-09-14 6:55 AM

Michael is a hopeless idiot. he mentions water vapor as a green house gas and gets hung up on co2. hey mike this is going to be a shock to you. Co2 does NOT trap heat ! Yes , thats true. You want science ? The science that tells me this is analytical science or chemistry. the science behind all the forensic stuff we se on tv. the science that identifies and catalogs every compound ever made. i know stupid liberals never heard of this. so let me make it even more simple for you as you cant think at all. when we burn organics, we get water vapor and co2 . You stupid libs conveniently forgot the water vapor. so what you say ? hmmm,. lets say co2 is equal to water vapor in heat trapping qualitites. it aint but for the simpletons like you assume it is. So you are worrying about .04% of the atmosphere say on a 50% humidity day. in other words, 49.96% would be water vapor and .04% would be co2. now if both were equal, there is ABSOLUTLY no difference to the heat balance in the air! Yes

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