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Gun laws just the beginning

January 28, 2013

I write this in hopes to find other like minded individuals. I write this knowing I may be arrested and prosecuted for my freedom of speech, even with a family to support....

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Regelski

Mar-12-13 1:25 PM

The original post appeals to "like minded" individuals. That's the problem. In America we should be concerned with reaching agreement on important issues with those who initially don't share our views. In a way I waste my time (but it is amusing) with the echo-chamber of 'like-minded' individuals. Those who are not 'like-minded' are, of course, ignored or (in these forums) insulted for daring to have ideas of their own. Misery loves company, as it goes, and weakness of argument looks for any strands of support that can be fielded. Rather than looking for fellow complainers, why not look for increased dialogue and agreement that might bring us closer together. Somehow, I don't thing that the miscreants who haunt these forums have that in mind. I hope to be an exception.

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Regelski

Mar-09-13 1:02 PM

Gun laws are beginning of what? Confiscation of guns? Gimme a break. That kind of conspiracy theory is disproved by the any laws enacted in presidencies other than Obama's. It is more than unusual that his election (twice) has produced incredible purchases of guns, even though, for example--and to my dismay--he has allowed guns in national parks, has strengthened the nation's borders, and has--again to my concern--sent more immigrants back to their home countries than under the 'great' George Bush. I don't know if this paranoia is a matter of the first Black (progressive) president but the recoil is very suspicious. Next might be the fist woman president, Hillary. What*****will you let loose on that?

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Regelski

Mar-05-13 12:02 PM

1Laona: You finally agree with me, you have no argument, facts, or rationale beyond your opinion and emotions. I try to engage in discussion, but you shut it off with this kind of reply (and others on other forums). I don't envy you your life. It must be very comfortable to just 'tell the world off' and let it go at that. Is that therapeutic? It doesn't solve anything. The real problem is that you and your echo chamber of like-minded misfits do not, cannot communicate in reasonable, factual ways with those who disagree with you. That represents to me and others a real threat to the American way. You have no idea about "civil discourse." You must be a ball of fun in a board of education meeting, or town board meeting. How emotional and depressed are you about your life? Do you feel that America has left you behind? What newly creative insults can you come up with, since you have no arguments except insults. Don't bother. I won't be reading or responding. You waste

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1Laona

Mar-01-13 1:21 PM

this is not how America shoul....d behave.I agree oh wise one.You quote from your biased sources and we shall all bow to the wisdom you have shown us.No,not today,not ever.You're on the wrong side of this issue,there is no debate,there is no compromise,no retreat,NO infringements on my 2nd Amendment Rights.

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Regelski

Mar-01-13 12:16 PM

1laona: You amuse me, and your posts make my case: you are unreasonable and given to insults when you can't defend your position. It's also interesting: you apparently have researched my name in connection with "music," but I can't do the same since you hide behind your moniker. Who are you? Why can't you speak in your own name? Embarrassed? Do you 'get off' with the nonsense you write? Of what positive contribution is it to the issues at hand? Saying that someone is jerk is not the same as having argued against the position that called forth the name calling. Does it make you feel good? Or does it amuse you to entertain your audience? In the American way, the public sphere is to be honored; we need to stand up in public for our beliefs. Will you, under your own name? No way. You're part of the problem, not of the answer. Read your latest post: to what positive end does it contribute? You're echo chamber needing to up the volume Sad. This is not how America shoul

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Regelski

Feb-28-13 2:27 PM

Or do you fear that the government is out to get you and will persecute you. What evidence do you have, if that's what you believe? Your reply to my contribution is, well, not exactly intelligent, reasonable, or literate. Can you offer more of your reasoning, and especially evidence, of you conclusions? Or will you be happy to wallow in your fear of everything that is American, including especially dialogue--not insult. I apparently insult your sense of value; but your replies are hardly evidence of any kind of argument against the position I want to advance. It is clear that this "forum" is not exactly supportive of my position (save for Judeye) but that in itself is worrisome in the extreme. What exactly is your problem with the American way of life, and American acceptance of the idea that we need to get along together? Open up. Tell us you innermost fears and trepidations? What are your life circumstances that might justify your fears and anxieties?

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Regelski

Feb-28-13 2:17 PM

1Laona: Your response seems to personal, which is disallowed in democratic debate. What is the "public trough" you mention? That I am a retired teacher? Are teachers now your enemies? And whatever you meant about combat vets" is incompressible (read it again); first there are are combat vets who have become teachers. Secondly, whatever the failing of the VA seems to go against your anti-government creed: its not that government should not protect the rightful needs of vets, it's that it should do it BETTER. As for not valuing my opinion, I fully support the 2nd amendment; but, as with the 'free speech' of the first, with the right comes responsibility. You can't shout "fire" in a theater and you can't own and use a gun without respect for others. You're reply is so weak that I'm not surprised that you hide behind your moniker. Come out of the closet. Let me know who you are? Are you ashamed, or afraid? (cont.)

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1Laona

Feb-27-13 2:17 PM

I guess if I'd been feeding at the Public Trough long enough to retire on the NY peoples money I'd fell the same way...no,to many principles passed down from all those combat vets gone by for that to happen.You ARE intitled to your opinion but I don't have to waste my time pretending that there is any value in it.There isn't.The 2nd Amendment is too important to compromise on.

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Regelski

Feb-27-13 12:42 PM

Going back to the original opinion, that the author feared being arrested for freedom of speech tells us what this is all about: fear of government. Now, when has anyone at all in the US been arrested for a newspaper opinion? What kind of paranoia (fear-mongering) is responsible for this kind of reaction? What evidence is there that freedom of speech of this kind is not possible, illegal? Can the writer imagine writing this in Putin's Russia? What is the problem? Why the anti-government, anti-American take on everything? Are these writers associated with the Tea Kettle movement just letting off steam against the government? May I remind you that, by the Constitution, "the Government" is US! Not a foreign power. If some feel that it is 'foreign' to them, then they need to join in the American way of voting.

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Regelski

Feb-26-13 1:52 PM

1Laona: How stupid. You've figured out my profession and assume that I have been filling young minds with drivel. Is that reasonable, or just desperate If you were at all committed to the American way, such insulting comments make you feel good (for the moment) but don't advance the issue at had. I can call you an ***hole, but that kind of name calling isn't going to advance the argument. I waste my time confronting you only because statements like the "prince/king" (which I take to be your slur against our president who, btw, was elected in confrontation with your emotional view of things are painly ouat of line. You claim that your are aware of the "real world" and others are in na-na land is silly. Who are you to determine what is 'real"? Do you mean the lowly (as self-identified) world of them vs us where you're a loser? Is that the issue? Are you a loser? And you resent those who aren't and can express themselves in public without insult. Can you re

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1Laona

Feb-25-13 10:47 AM

Regulateski:SE,Looks like you've gotten your second-wind(although you were pretty long-winded before).Your tactic:to talk down to the masses,isn't working-You're wrong and while filling young minds with your drivel was how you made your living that won't work here.Most of us here have solid life experiences that has given us a good basis in the "real world".That we should just sit idlely by and let the Prince&King ruin our country isn't going to happen.So grab your pom-poms and cheer for the other side.

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Regelski

Feb-23-13 12:55 PM

American: I can't believe you hide behind the otherwise good name of America. Nothing I have written amounts to terrorism against the second amendment! It is exactly this kind of emotionally defensive NRA talking points that is the problem. You can't answer my challenges by recourse to evidence or reasons, or in the public sphere which, according to polls, is against you, without resorting to such desperation: name calling. Terrorist, really? You've been reading too much NRA propaganda? You in fact belie your moniker: by your very reply to me, you show that you are NOT part of the American way. You resort to insult, name calling, and worse when you're favored opinions are challenged. What are you 'on' when you write these thoughtless replies. Who is your audience? Do you think this convinces anyone who doesn't already agree? This is not the 4th grade playground; though, if in those days, you had said equivalent things (for a 4th grader) you'd see I wouldn't take it sitting down.

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American

Feb-23-13 12:29 PM

Please do disengage as your terrorist ideas of changing the 2nd amendment are not wanted.

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1Laona

Feb-23-13 11:17 AM

There will be a local(Dunkirk/Fredonia)bus going to the protest against the NY SAFE ACT in Albany on 2/28/13.$55 a seat-call 672-6210 for details.

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1Laona

Feb-20-13 1:47 PM

"White Flag Waving" as Regulateski fades to black...

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Regelski

Feb-20-13 1:00 PM

My guess is that you're not exactly well-traveled (unless in the Armed forces, which is not an exactly "experiencing" another culture's habits)and that you don't read much, or aren't concerned to examine in a self-reflective way the bases for your opinions (the word comes from the Latin/Italian for "stubborn"). I shall attempt to disengage from this entire discussion because there's no hope of convincing any one of you of anything: it is all fixed in the ideology of the echo chamber of self-serving and self-congratulatory taken for granted self-propaganda. Who is free? You or me? Can you entertain any option other than what you start with I can? But will no longer. A waste of time.

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Regelski

Feb-20-13 12:51 PM

1Laoana: You're pitiful. Talk of "blathering" and "out of touch," the only thing you seem to be in touch with is the blather and slogans of those who hate the American way of life and our ability, as a pluralistic society, to communicate our differences. I don't know what employment you're in, but should it matter? Are you inferring that music is a frill (do you listen?) and that, therefore, anyone who has devoted a career to teaching it is an idiot and a burden on mankind? Why do you hide from us? I was open and you researche1 d my name; can I do the same?Open up.How infantile the claim that I'm your enemy. What has George Soros got to do with it? You hate him, too, for being rich and Greek? The enemy is the mindless acceptance of sloganeering and uninformed insults for America. We're built on getting along. I guess you'd not be a helpful neighbor. That I live part of the year abroad makes you all the more suspicious. Have you experienced other ideas in ot

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Regelski

Feb-19-13 12:33 PM

(cont) the biggest loudmouths reject most American values. In the current climate, after recent events, Americans--I assume patriots all--defend our system of government and the process by which it decides on our common welfare. I'm among those who think, for example, that the status quo is ore and more biased against the 47% (or 99%) who aren't rich. But the misuse of gun control as an avatar against our government and the American way of community and cooperation, is despicable. You should be ashamed!

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Regelski

Feb-19-13 12:26 PM

1Laona: "Dumb arse" is not exactly what is needed to communicate and hopefully inform each other of our views in hope of reaching at least a greater agreement. Name calling is the first recourse, since elementary school (stick and stones). The point is that, first, the military have an obvious need for the biggest firepower. The second is that, statistically, the police are out-gunned by criminals and gangs: thus leading to the opposition of most city police departments to the easy availability of guns. (I've mentioned elsewhere that this is a problem: we in rural areas are more open to guns but in cities, which constitute the vast majority of Americans, the verdict (vote, poll) is to protect against guns. The proposed laws have no mention of "confiscation" (any more than car registration is going to lead to confiscating our cars (except then they're used for drugs). I am extremely disappointed by the sense of many of these posts: the biggest loudmouths reject A

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1Laona

Feb-18-13 3:16 PM

Regulateski,you dumb arse.At this point all the police that have more than 7 rounds in their pistol magazines are breaking the law.So I guess Seth and the rest of us do have to worry about ourselves.

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Regelski

Feb-18-13 12:09 PM

Reading more carefully this time, I just noticed the plea to "like-minded" individuals. I would think that the essence of democratic freedom is to argue one's beliefs to the non-like-minded, not to preach to the choir. Otherwise, we end up with a crowd mentality, the kind of populism our founding fathers took great care to avoid (not that the GOP domination of the House is a good example). The concluding sentence, about the concern of being arrested, is so over the top that this claim is grossly uninformed about the American way of life and politics, and exactly the kind fear-mongering and paranoia that is afflicting our country and setting people against one another. What gives? Where does this paranoia come from? Are readers informed about 'checks and balances' in our Constitution that, currently, at least, are favoring the right (e.g., the Supreme Court)? What ever happened to having conversations yo reach better (if not complete) consensus? Democracy not ideology.

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Regelski

Feb-17-13 1:35 PM

What tyranny? Define tyranny? Are not the American people (and children) deserving of reasonable (according to election results) of protections? Mike Davis (among others) doesn't't seem to share in the American regard for the tension between freedom to and freedom from. The load all their ammunition (slur intended) on the former and ignore the latter. I hate to engage in name-calling but I would characterize that as un-American: think of all the laws and moral traditions we have to protect people from the misadventures of others exercising their right to "freedom to" (loud noise, no car insurance, speed limits, dogs in restaurants.) Tyranny? What of the tyranny of those whose selfishness is at the expense of the rest of us? I*****near came getting shot by a hunter on my posted property. Why is that posting (and ducking)) my responsibility (and danger)? I don't mean to insult responsible hunters, but part of that responsibility entails taking responsibility to other livi

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American

Jan-31-13 6:14 PM

Maybe considering it was at typing that he stutters so bad instead of a speech therapist he should go find a 7th grade typing teacher and a muscle therapist to teach him/her how to type and to try and learn control of his/her muscles. Especially those that affect the hand/eye coordination.

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MikeDavis

Jan-31-13 3:09 PM

I rest my case, it wasn't derogatory but you both think so. Keep up the "victim" mentality boys, you're doing great.

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bulldog10

Jan-31-13 3:02 PM

It looks derogatory to me. No excuses for comments like that.

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