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Weapons ban won’t slow crime rate

January 29, 2013

Editor, OBSERVER: I would like to respond regarding the recent commentary of Paul Christopher, who believes that all semi-automatic and pistols in America should be immediately confiscated and......

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MikeDavis

Feb-15-13 11:21 PM

Regelski asked "How do you justify your 'freedom' to own guns (under reasonable and responsible regulation) with the harm committed daily--daily--by irresponsible and unreasonable people who abuse guns that are near to hand." First, I don't know what you mean...justify? I, and every American, have that RIGHT endowed by that document some very smart men wrote years ago. Mayube you have heard of it? The US Constitution? Ring any bells? And my guns don't cause harm, niether do millions of others privately owned guns, unless it's to protect life and property. As far as suicide? Do you really think that someone determined to end their life won't find another means to do that? Your arguments show me nothing but an irrational fear of guns.

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Regelski

Feb-15-13 12:34 PM

Carlaw: You've got to be kidding. A mental health register? This is not simple like those for sex offenders. Were I someone who got to decide that, I'd wonder about the sanity of such a proposal. Perhaps you're only arguing for reasonable regulation of guns where people who are unstable should be denied access to guns. But the concept of "unstable" is almost totally without criteria. I 'feel' for doctors and mental health professionals who are burdened with such decisions as a matter of course. But who among us wants to submit to whatever your criteria are? Clearly, there are a lot of people who are unstable and shouldn't be allowed guns, cars, or children. You propose the list. The law should minimize those who have access to guns (including children and others in the home--not to mention suicide by gun).

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Regelski

Feb-15-13 12:25 PM

Mike Davis:

I can't believe your wrote that: How many people are killed each day by "freedom of choice (or your words to that effect) to won guns. You're no doubt opposing abortion (which is a separate topic, although the right to life should extend to school children and others who are subject to the ills of lack of gun control). How do you justify your 'freedom' to own guns (under reasonable and responsible regulation) with the harm committed daily--daily--by irresponsible and unreasonable people who abuse guns that are near to hand. Did you read the recent TIME article (do you read anything that contradicts your "confirmation bias"?) that shows that even police, trained as they are, have a terrible rate of success when involved in any kind of shootout? Now the NRA wants teachers to be armed? Gimme a break!

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Regelski

Feb-12-13 1:06 PM

No proposal under consideration has mentioned the outlawing and collection of guns. This is sheer NRA fear-mongering. On many ethical principles it is as realistic to control (register, etc.) guns as it is to control prescription drugs. The "justification principle" of ethics puts the burden on those who propose a course of action to show that their proposal will not commit harm (thus lawsuits, e.g. against environmental polluters) We acknowledge this 'common law' position when we accept automobile insurance, for example, and have laws to prevent, say, dogs from being loose to attack people (we're easier on cats because the prey are smaller). To be 'civilized' is to accept this basic social ethic--as most do,except when it comes to guns and loud music.

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localresident

Feb-01-13 11:55 PM

Stang, the Dcronigs, Judeye's, etc., of the 1700's would have said you're totally off your rocker. There's NO WAY that could've ever happened.

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stangv8

Feb-01-13 10:30 PM

Imagine that, with nothing but small arms and cannons, a bunch of rag-tag colonists fought a guerrilla war and defeated the most powerful nation on earth. In 1775, the warning went out by horseback and rider. Today’s warning will go out on the internet, text messaging, and short wave.

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stangv8

Feb-01-13 10:28 PM

Where did the gun culture in America begin? When the Pilgrims first set foot on Plymouth Rock, they literally had a bible in one hand and a gun in the other. Ever since then, those colonists depended upon their firearms to survive. They used them to secure food and to protect their families from danger. Firearms were the tool that ensured the survival of the colonists and enabled the expansion of the colonies. When the rumblings of freedom from England started reverberating throughout the land, the colonists manufactured firearms in preparation to defend themselves from the tyranny of the British Soldiers. In April 1775, seven hundred British troops marched to Concord, to capture firearms and supplies stored up by the Massachusetts Militia (Britts didn’t like the Militia either) . That’s when Paul Revere and other made their famous ride; the ride to warn that the British were coming to take their guns. It just continued on from there.

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American

Jan-30-13 11:57 AM

To those who do not understand the "gun culture" I say I and others do not understand the "abortion culture" the "nanny state culture" the "no one loses culture" and others like that.

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localresident

Jan-30-13 11:02 AM

"I do not understand the gun culture. And nobody has yet explained it. I have taken the safety course. I still do not understand the fascination with weapons meant to kill. And I am still waiting for a rational explaination.I will probably have to wait forever, because I do not believe there is one."

Well, there is your issue, right there. Some people like guns because of their mechanical nature, and what they can do, much like some people love gardening, cooking, cars, music, whatever. Some like guns because of the noise. Some like them for their utility, looks, or other aspect.

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localresident

Jan-30-13 10:33 AM

"Try taking a yoga or meditation class."

As soon as that can do at least two of the following, I'll sign up tomorrow.: - provide me with a means of putting food on my table - provide me protection from intruders / unwanted animals, etc. - provide a fun activity that can be a nice way to relieve stress.

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Carlaw

Jan-30-13 9:20 AM

Good point Mike Davis. Gun owners are not fascinated by guns and violence. A gun is a tool like any other. It is people who use tools in a violent way. That's why we need a mental health registry, not a gun registry.

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MikeDavis

Jan-30-13 8:25 AM

Demmom said "But until someone can tell me something other than "IT IS MY RIGHT" you are all bullies and are denying MY RIGHT TO LIFE." Like the women walking into clinics, they're all about the right to life, right? But that's a choice the democrats want, so it's fine? And to be blunt, yes it is a right. Your right is to not own a gun. Why does your opinion trump anyone's Constitutional right? My opinion on abortion doesn't stop you from being able to obtain one. While I would never kill anyone unless in self defense, how many are murdered daily in this country under the banner "freedom of choice"? Bottom line here, it's MY choice. Kindly stop attempting to force yours on me.

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Carlaw

Jan-30-13 8:11 AM

I've done all that and more. Your mind is closed. I rarely watch Fox News. Agenda 21 was written by Harriet Parke. It is Fiction. It is being endorsed by Glenn Beck. He did not write it. The book is not a set of talking points. The Yoga classes are good but would they help you the next time someone pointed a gun in you face? The Self defense classes would, but be it far from me to try and penetrate a totally closed mind. That is what I fear more than guns.

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demmom

Jan-30-13 7:56 AM

Carlaw, you are the one that needs to broaden your education. Try reading anything that was not written by someone who has been on Fox news. Try taking a yoga or meditation class. Visit the VA and talk to the folks who have returned home from Iraq/Afgan. I believe in freedom and I love my country. I do not understand the gun culture. And nobody has yet explained it. I have taken the safety course. I still do not understand the fascination with weapons meant to kill. And I am still waiting for a rational explaination.I will probably have to wait forever, because I do not believe there is one.

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Carlaw

Jan-30-13 7:06 AM

This is not about hunting Demmom. This is about Freedom. If that has to be explained to you, it is a lost cause. Broaden your experience. Read Agenda 21 by G. Beck. It's fiction and a quick easy read but will get you to think. Take a gun safety course just for fun. You'll be glad that you did. Decisions made out of fear instead of knowledge and experience are dangerous.

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stangv8

Jan-29-13 7:59 PM

kcw007, it was legislation to make the uninformed think they’re doing something. By some of the statements here, we can see there are those that don’t have a clue what Federal and even NY State law is concerning firearms. Shoot, many of them think people are walking around with full automatic weapons and you can buy them right over the internet and have them shipped right to your door.

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kcw007

Jan-29-13 7:16 PM

Obviously the state county sheriff's, along with the rest of law enforcement in the state, want little to do with this law. I would offer that, in military slang, it is most appropriately labeled FUBAR & TARFU.

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American

Jan-29-13 6:15 PM

Surprised the left haven't said how wrong the sheriffs association is or how bad those gun loving police are for advocating for legal owners and telling the prince he is wrong.

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kcw007

Jan-29-13 5:59 PM

You can read the sheriff's letter at the Post Journal website.

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kcw007

Jan-29-13 5:52 PM

kcw007 contin: Here's an excerpt from the previously mentioned letter from the county sheriff's group to the governor. Under the section entitled: Safe Storage of Firearms: "The new law provides that guns must be safely stored if the owner lives with someone who has been convicted of felony or domestic violence crime (see: Lautenberg Amendment)...or is currently under an order of protection." It certainly looks like the state is giving the go ahead for felons to live in your home just so long as you keep your guns locked up; doesn't it? Unfortunately federal law prevails.

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kcw007

Jan-29-13 5:42 PM

If you read the Observer news story, "Sheriff's Breakdown new SAFE Act Law" you'll note that some 51 of the state's county sheriff's have sent a letter to the governor as to their collective concerns &opinions of the law. In that letter they expressed support for the requirement the weapons must be stored securely if you have a felon, a person convicted if a misdeameanor crime of domestic violence or under a current domestic violence Order of Protection living with you. That's real nice and all, except for the fact that IT'S AGAINST FEDERAL LAW TO KNOWINGLY ALLOW SUCH PERSONS TO LIVE WITH YOU IF YOU HAVE GUNS AND AMMUNITION. They're not even suppose to visit you if you have guns in the house! This is yet another example of the very many flaws in this law! If I know of the federal law, why didn't Albany, or for that matter the sheriff's know about it?! And you wonder why currentgun laws go un-enforced?

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American

Jan-29-13 5:29 PM

Anyone think that demmom is a little off in her comments. Who is after her life? And what did she do to tick someone off that much? Does demmom stand for democrat mom? Great letter BTW.

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stangv8

Jan-29-13 12:20 PM

demmom, who is denying your right to life? Because a criminal commits a crime with a gun, you want to take guns from everyone else? Medical malpractice kills more people than anything else in this country so why not get rid of doctors? Your doctor is more a threat to your life than a neighbor with a gun. Besides, nobody owns automatic weapons unless they have a class 3 FFL which takes the equivalent of a secret security clearance investigation to get. Also, the NRA still holds gun and hunter safety classes. Most states require CCW instructors to be NRA certified and the NRA also provides most of the training to the nations police departments. So, when you want to attack the NRA, how about getting some facts instead of talking points of the anti-gun left

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stangv8

Jan-29-13 12:08 PM

Judeye, unfortunately, you’re wrong again. Switzerland had issued military weapons to all its adult males for decades. They were required to be proficient with them as they were the Militia protecting their country. Switzerland was the only nation in Europe, not allied with Germany, that wasn’t attacked by Germany. Hitler knew every man in Switzerland was not only armed but proficient with their weapon and he would face a citizenry protecting their homeland. In 2007, the Swiss Federal Council decided to not issue ammo any more and to recall that which was issued. Full automatic Sig 550 rifles are still issued and kept at homes of men under 30; their period of service in the Militia. Once their service commitment is complete, the guns are returned and the auto sears removed, rendering the weapons semi-automatic. The semi-automatic weapons are then returned to the men to keep if they so desire. The Swiss aren’t giving them the ammo anymore but they still give them the weapons.

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localresident

Jan-29-13 11:41 AM

Demmom, do you know that there are private America citizens who actually own (and maintain) their own fighter jets? What's more, they don't need any other license/permit other than the proper FAA flight rating.

In Britain, you can buy surplus military helicopters, army tanks, etc., and drive them (tanks) on public roads with normal traffic.

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