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Is sale responsible?

February 2, 2014

It would appear that within the next few weeks a new proposal will be submitted for the purchase of the Chautauqua County Home and a fourth vote will be taken by the County Legislature to sell the......

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NormanC

Feb-08-14 10:19 AM

Joshy83:Could not have worded what you wrote any better..

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NormanC

Feb-08-14 10:17 AM

DarkStar:I say hogwash..I have been to visit someone I knew at FP..I seen what goes on there..Its a glorified retirement home at the most..Why did you put her in the CCH in the first place??..Was it a miracle that she could all of sudden walk??..Was it because after 100 days in a nursing home the Nursing home starts digging into the said persons assets??..Were you paying cash at FP??..Of course its cheaper at FP,the quality of care there does not compare to the CCH..What are you going to do if she becomes non-ambulatory?.FP will not keep her.Food?.On one visit,FP gave the person I knew a piece of Totinos pizza.Real nutritious.

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Joshy83

Feb-07-14 10:04 PM

DarkStar, Fredonia Place is fine and dandy until your mother cannot walk anymore. You have to be able to walk and feed yourself at FP. If you need a ground or pureed diet you're out. If you need someone to follow you with a wheel chair (just in case) you're out. There's no turning and positioning, no heel cuffs, no floor mats, no bed alarms. The reason it costs a fraction of what the CCH costs is because the residents need a fraction of the care. There are almost twice as many residents in the CCH Alzheimer's unit than at FP's wing. Actually, considering that, the staff-patient ratio is equal at both places. Except that at the CCH you have certified nursing assistants and an LPN and RN present 24/7. Is your mother is doing better at FP she certainly didn't need to be in the CCH(Not saying she wasn't welcome of course! But FP is more like a home environment with the decor and carpeting etc.). It's obviously going to cost less because there are less staff all around and less services.

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DarkStar

Feb-07-14 3:41 PM

NormanC,

So when anyone has facts that disagree with you they must be lying?

This actually occurred, and as this was occurring when the CCH was passing out "Save Our Home" signs, and there were frequent articles on the home in the paper so I commented on much of it as it was occurring, although I doubt few, in anyone will remember it.

When we took my mother from the CCH we didn't even think she could walk anymore, but after having her out for a couple days we realized she could, with a walker, but the home simply stuffed her in a wheelchair because it was easier.

She is now happy and healthy at Fredonia Place, although of course her memory continues to get worse. Had she stayed at the CCH I have no doubt that she wouldn't be alive today.

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CadeFoster

Feb-06-14 11:29 PM

the County Legislature has taken an oath to protect the citizens of Chautauqua County...if that means protecting them from losing $7000 a day then so be it. The home will still be there, the patients will still be there and the employees will still be there, if they pass the drug test and background check.

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rumblefish

Feb-05-14 12:40 PM

nice try in deflecting the question Norman, if CCH is in the habit of giving out personal information on residents(clients) we wonder how professionally it's being run, must be Norman never heard of the PBR

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rumblefish

Feb-05-14 12:32 PM

Norman, Norman, Norman

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rumblefish

Feb-05-14 12:28 PM

name calling, from Norman, we expect that, when he been being a blow hard on knowing all there is to know about how CCH operates, come on Norman answer the question, even if you don't know the answer make one up like you do with most of your posts

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NormanC

Feb-05-14 10:50 AM

rumblefish:Hey dink??..Did you call yet??..

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NormanC

Feb-05-14 10:49 AM

rumblefish:Why dont you call the CCH Medical Records Dept??..Or dont you know how to use a phone??..I will help you out,heres the number..366-6400..

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rumblefish

Feb-05-14 5:56 AM

Norman: we are still waiting for the number of CCH residents who were at least (10) year county residents before being admitted to CCH, come on Norman, your quick to call others names and say they lie, we also notice lately you have chosen to throw home union reps under the bus, come on Norman which side are you on now

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NormanC

Feb-04-14 10:05 PM

DarkStar:You are a liar.Which magazine did you copy what you wrote?.

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WatchDog

Feb-04-14 7:53 PM

The voters spoke very clearly last November and with a resounding voice - SELL!

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DarkStar

Feb-04-14 3:11 PM

Another example is it took us almost the entire time my mother was in there to have them stop grinding up her pills, putting them in pudding and giving them to her (always right before a meal.) It took 4 weeks just to get the order changed and another 4 weeks before the nurses actually followed the new order, and it required a threat to go to the management if it wasn't corrected to get them to do so.

This same thing played out over and over on anything we wanted changed, for example to do a swallow test so they would see she could eat solid food.

And all this was with a resident who had at least at least two different family members visit each day, so I have to wonder what hope someone has of getting something done if they only visit one a week or less.

If these issues were limited to certain days or shifts then maybe the problem was a single person, but when it's all shifts and all days it's obvious that the problem is systemic and everyone there is to blame.

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DarkStar

Feb-04-14 3:06 PM

NormanC,

And some people need to eat through a straw, but that doesn't mean everyone should have to.

As for not seeing what I see, I bet if you went there right now would find at close to a dozen residents in wheelchairs pushed against the wall by the nurses station with no one around and if you poured 1/4 cup of ketchup on the front of one of these poor soles and then left for 4 hours when you came back you would find them all exactly where they were when you left.

You I know, you say you never saw any such thing but unless the 2.5 months my mother was in there was some bizarre fluke then it's still happening today.

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rumblefish

Feb-04-14 2:37 PM

seeing that you know so much about the clientele of the CCH, Norman how many were at least (10) year county residents before admission

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NormanC

Feb-04-14 1:59 PM

All Nursing Homes Public and Private get a patients assets sooner or later..Private pay residents money eventually runs out.They are not excluded from the inevitable.

The CCH has cut staffing thru the years,retirees have not been replaced,as well as people who quit or transfer out.Even though this has happened the quality of care still remains excellent.I disagree with you,because I have had many family members in the CCH and I have seen nothing as to which you describe.

As far as meals,many residents cant eat a regular diet,it must be mashed or pureed.I seen what is served,and it looked pretty good to me. You complain about low staffing?.Wait till a Private owner takes over,if it indeed does.You will see staffing lower then what you perceive it to be now.

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NormanC

Feb-04-14 1:46 PM

DarkStar..Fredonia Place is not a skilled nursing facilty..CCH IS..They may provide some of the care you describe,but it pales in comparison to the CCH..CCH provides 24 hour care to these patients..Fredonia Place does not..I have visited there,so you cant tell me anything different.I seen what goes on there and I wasnt too impressed..Fredonia Place is nothing but a glorified retirement home,that prioritizes cash pay applicants.

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DarkStar

Feb-04-14 1:39 PM

NormanC,

When I had a family member who needed long term care Absolute accepted after asking what insurance she had, the County Home on the other hand wanted not only her insurance information but a full listing of any and all assets.

At my sister's request we settled on the County Home, and as someone who visited my family member almost every day that she was there, which was just over two months, I have to say I was less then impressed.

The problem wasn't the staff, it was the low staffing numbers and the patient mix.

When you mix patients whose condition requires a great deal of patient care with those that don't, the quiet ones who need little care are simply warehoused because the staff is to busy dealing with patients that need extra care.

Also I was disgusted at what passed for meals there and would expect that for over $8,000 a month that meals wouldn't consist of sandwiches made of various ground up items, or PB&J more days then not.

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NormanC

Feb-04-14 1:38 PM

rumblefish:saying that the CCH doesn't play favorites on take the "easy" cases first is bull hockey, again we say at the most 1% of true county residents "may" get the chance to go to the home

The CCH accepts anyone who applies,they dont screen easy to care residents.Private Homes do.Its called cherry picking.Also easy to care patients get more reimbursements as compared to hard to care patients.The Home residents are mainly from this County and all this Counties can use it,even from the South County that people keep complaining about.Most people in the South County place their loved ones in the Jamestown area because they dont want to travel 35 miles to see their family member. Well guess what.Should the CCH be sold,people are going to be traveling a lot further then that,when they find out the Private owner wont accept their loved ones!.

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DarkStar

Feb-04-14 1:30 PM

"...There are also 44 residents in the Alzheimer unit.Something nearly all private homes dont want to dabble in..."

You mean like Fredonia Place's memory care wing where they care for many Alzheimer and dementia patients for a fraction of what the County Home Charges (approx. $3,600 a month as opposed to $8,000+)

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NormanC

Feb-04-14 1:25 PM

rumblefish:it not what's your resources to get into CCH, it's who you know, and what "loop holes" can be used to get "special" favors for admittance again we're talking government run and (buddy-buddy) good old boys network.

Where in the h*** did you get that info from?.Thats bull.There are very few private pay patients at the CCH,the rest are mainly County residents,with limited resources,residents who could not stand being at Absolute any more and others that Private Homes rejected.There are also 44 residents in the Alzheimer unit.Something nearly all private homes dont want to dabble in.Plus its hard at times to get into the CCH,because the CCH is at near capacity all the time.

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DarkStar

Feb-04-14 12:56 PM

Whether the sale itself is responsible what is responsible is deciding the issue once and for all and then leaving it at that.

Any vote to sell the home, should have a rider that if voted down the issue can not be raised again for at least two years.

Beyond that I have one question for those who wish to maintain private ownership of the CCH. Time and again in these pages I have seen you complaining about County mismanagement of the home, but that being the case, so why exactly do you support allowing such mismanagement to continue?

Will private ownership solve all the home's problems, I doubt it, but what I do know is if the County keeps ownership it will continue to be mismanaged.

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rumblefish

Feb-04-14 12:23 PM

saying that the CCH doesn't play favorites on take the "easy" cases first is bull hockey, again we say at the most 1% of true county residents "may" get the chance to go to the home, sadly what the home was established for(poor)who had no other place to go, is not what it used for today to go,

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rumblefish

Feb-04-14 12:14 PM

it not what's your resources to get into CCH, it's who you know, and what "loop holes" can be used to get "special" favors for admittance again we're talking government run and (buddy-buddy) good old boys network,

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