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Pipeline plan fueling discontent

May 1, 2014

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WatchDog

May-04-14 12:49 PM

The libtards like Judeye and Paul just don't get it. Canada is going to produce their oil and ship it somewhere- likely China if we turn them down. Another big reason to have the Keystone pipeline is national security. We are just one flash point away from a major disruption to our petroleum supply - especially with Obama at the helm!

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joew

May-03-14 7:03 PM

"Investing does not, and that's ALL the wealthy do. They are NOT job creators. And besides, the pope knows they're immoral".

YIKES!!!!!!!!!

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Truthteller

May-03-14 4:43 PM

The pay freeze was widely reported. Seethrough doesn't tell you about contract negotiations. Apparently you think the Observer is lying. The Koch boys are walking around with millions of disposable income. You are deluded. God's plan? Are you anti-Catholic? The pope is against capitalism. I ask again, why are people making 40-80 MINUS health insurance MINUS pension MINUS 20 % in taxes the problem!? Question two--why don't you become a teacher? Then you'd be richer than the Koch Bros. because that's how depraved your thinking is. Teachers blood-sucking parasites with all your money, Koch Bros. modest entrepreneurs with not a real penny to their name. News Flash--teachers are job creators because buying stuff creates jobs. Investing does not, and that's ALL the wealthy do. They are NOT job creators. And besides, the pope knows they're immoral.

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tjefson

May-03-14 7:42 AM

First, the teachers fill our children's minds with liberal thought, like accepting alternative lifestyles. Responsible parents address this fallacy and let the children know not according to God's plan. Parents are working 2 jobs to pay the bills. There is only so much they can do, yet get blamed by the liberal gang. Now the elderly are losing their homes because they can't afford the taxes. What is going on? With this teachers union, we are in an abyss, a big black dark hole. There appears to be no bottom.

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tjefson

May-03-14 7:18 AM

Steiner, I have read your posts too. How could we be the same person when our interests are far apart. You have a great appreciation for science and chemistry, while I enjoy the world of finance. Isn't it interesting how the same group who are determined to assault and destroy science and chemistry also want to bring us down financially. They have no understanding of finance. The Koch bros are not walking around will billions in their pocket. The money is in the businesses they own and the ones who attack him have no problem investing in his companies and taking their return. These are very strange people we are dealing with.

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Steiner

May-03-14 7:16 AM

hey truth teller, i love rich people. they do NOT work 8 hour days and get all summers off like those honorable teachers. they create the wealth , pay the taxes that the liberals just love to spend and spend. I know wealthy people in the chemical industry with a great base salary and huge bonuses. but these people will work 16 hour days. weekends too, travel at a moments notice. it is nothing like a teachers job. plus in the chemical industrty if something goes wrong due to human error, they face the hateful govt, people like you who say greed, rich, climate change. i work, but not as hard as some i know. let them have the money they earned. it is from the rise of liberals that class warfare began. liberals were and are too stupid to create wealth. they steal it via taxes. thats what woodrow wilson said in a fashion. get rid of stupid liberals and all will be well again.

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tjefson

May-03-14 7:08 AM

Truthteller, please change your name. Go to seethroughny to see through lies they tell. You will see no pay freeze & no sacrifice, just huge pay increases funded by the looting of the taxpayer. Its just terrible how you think I am the bad guy and I am the one with the mounting debt. Christopher and mattdillon feel the same one. Its warped logic.

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Steiner

May-03-14 7:07 AM

hey double ringer, I like you. you dispel all the myths the nonscience liberals put forth I have posted again and again that the chem industry knows how to handle abrasive corrsive stuff. sulfuric acid at least proves that.liberals are utterly stupid people. even sewer plants will have their pipes wear away from human waste.. I have had friends in sewage for 45 years. they tell me the stories and i have seen the plants. every argument the libs advance against pipelines , fracking and oil is nothing more than a myth or a scare tactic.thuis is just another attempt by iberals to force higher costs and shortages on us. rmember the 70s? Who would have thought then the US would be awash in natural gas and increased oil output. the libs were saying end of oil !

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Steiner

May-03-14 7:00 AM

hey christopher, i am not a fake. i have spent 40 years in the chemical industry. you folks just cant imagine there are people who are smart and can see thru the liberal baloney we get fed. i quoted many science facts, none refuted and you say i am a fake. you libs always issue demands, like jerry rubin, a great liberal. we always have to bow down before the liberals. whattsa matter christopher, ego bruised some ? your govt christopher has destroyed america. the teacher union, you ignore them repeatedly fights all choice. you just are aching to now who i am. noone could be that smart in a dumb liberals eyes, but i am. paul, i am.

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Steiner

May-03-14 6:52 AM

hey tj, reasoning with liberals is impossible. i read your poss. the libs think we are the same, notice the jeftron. even dk gets confused. he always posts a nonscience quote while i quote from the masters, the nobel winners of science. Hey dk, multiple personalities ? It is called being a poly math or poly glot. our education system makes sure this dos not happen nowadays. but back to truth teller,robber barrons wre the best thing that ever happened to america. they LOWERED the cost of many items. Even Cuomo said money was short in NY after the Wall street crash. many were laid off and the taxes from WS DECREASED truthteller. do you libs know any other words besides greed or hate ?

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Truthteller

May-02-14 9:52 PM

Unlike Bank of America, GE, Time Warner, and a host of others, teachers pay taxes. They're in the same boat as the rest of us. It's sinking while robber barons like the Waltons and the Koch Brothers and a host of other executives are soaring. The question is, why are you so angry at people making 40-80 thou and not the least bit at people making multimillion in bonuses every year. There's not enough hours in a day to "work" enough to earn that. Why is that OK by you? Because of some mythical choice you have to buy or not? Right. You don't need food. Energy. A car. Medicine.

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Truthteller

May-02-14 9:45 PM

Shared sacrifice? Where have you been. The Observer has reported over the past three or four years about several districts, one of which was Dunkirk, taking a pay freeze. What more do you want? And the reason private industry has been hit is because corporate heads have been allowed extreme greed in Reagan America, and they've misbehaved rather than be responsible. You think the managers of Carriage House are hurting? Or the shareholders? Their profits are through the roof! There was no need for them to close, and there has been no need for private industry to close shop in most cases. Greed and extreme greed. Wake up to these truths. You can't blame people making 40-80--MOST TEACHERS. Your original rant was the evil teachers, so put administrators aside. They're in a totally different union. 40-80. Just exactly how lavishly can you live on that? And you have to shave off health care, taxes (20% in most cases), pension contributions, and yes, union dues.

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tjefson

May-02-14 9:11 PM

Truthteller, you support my argument. You say you lost when Wall Street took a hit. I did too, like most Americans. The teachers are invested in the same equities and took a hit too. The difference is the taxpayer has made them whole once again in school property tax increase in the disguise of helping little Johnny. I graduated top of my class in Accounting and have a 4 year degree for it. I know the math, the logic, it doesn't work. These pensions are a ticking time bomb. The only reason they are near fully funded is because they use government accounting methods. We use GAAP in the private sector and these funds are seriously lacking. Ask any CPA, he will reiterate what I just said.

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tjefson

May-02-14 9:04 PM

Truthteller, we have 72 people making 6.5 million and you don't have a problem with that. The Superintendent has received more in raises the past 4 or 5 years than people are making here a year. The person who wrote this article seen always sees generous increases annually. The problem is people in the private sector have seen no increase in pay and our taxes are paying for other peoples increases. I don't see what is so difficult to understand. We one sector of people who I call the "privileged class" moving in one direction and the the rest of us moving in another. Nobody is saying pay these people minimum wage. However, for God's sake recognize the times we are living in and share in the sacrifice. That seems to be asking way to much from the public unions. They carry on as if times are booming. Who works for who? I am telling you right now, the public unions will be the steak in the heart of this country. Its probably already to late.

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joew

May-02-14 7:10 PM

Truthteller,the ultimate oxymoron!

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Truthteller

May-02-14 6:44 PM

Another brilliant idea, Jef, give Wall Street control over teachers' pensions. Then they can destroy them just like they destroyed people's savings a few years ago. I suppose that would make you feel better: I lost my pension, so let's make teachers give theirs to Wall Street so they can lose theirs too. Isn't there a state better suited to you, someplace you can move to and secede with, like all the other wacko conservative extremist haters?

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Truthteller

May-02-14 6:34 PM

Jefftron, about half of that 72 are administrators, so you can't count them. Now you're down to 35-40 teachers. A significant minority. Make a graph; you'll see that MOST teachers are as I said, 40-80. That's the problem with conservatives--you don't accept data, analysis, and evidence. You vote and spew opinions based on your hatred, your disappointments in life. Doubleringer is doing that by making exceptions sound like the norm because he is partisan and wants the Koch brothers to have their pipeline. Jefson--awfully inconvenient to your narrative that teachers pay out of pocket, isn't it? DKExpat is right--teachers once made far less than the private sector. Who stood up for them then?

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DKexpat

May-02-14 6:21 PM

Who’s old enough to remember when teaching jobs started at $5,500 while a high school grad walking through the gate on Willowbrook, Brigham, or Lucas, etc. was earning $25,000?

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DKexpat

May-02-14 6:18 PM

Doubleringer, I agree with just about everything you posted. I’m a proponent of hydraulic fracturing and have been on wellsites while Halliburton “ran the jobs.” (Heck, I even signed the contracts with Halliburton, Dow, Schlumberger and others.)

But putting all routing/environmental/chemical concerns aside, Keystone XL does not benefit the US. Just the opposite - - it will raise consumer prices $2-4 billion per year in the Midwest. (TransCanada stated that in its own regulatory filings.) The “dilbit crude” will be refined in tax-free zones and exported to Latin and South America where prices are higher.

Good economics for TransCanada, but not for Americans.

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tjefson

May-02-14 5:56 PM

Truthteller, if they pay out of their paychecks for their pension, put them in a 401K and one problem is solved. Why do you go by the name of truth teller when all you say is lies. I am serious, you speak no truth, just fabrications trying to justify untruths.

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tjefson

May-02-14 5:41 PM

USMCVET, Truthteller, and Christopher are all idiots. I just went to seethroughny and Dunkirk has 72 teachers making 80K or more a year that is costing the city over 6.5 million $s. Take a look at Dunkirk, doesn't this seem a bit out of line. Aren't they smart enough to recognize poverty or is it they just don't care. Good Grief. Elderly people losing their homes because they can't afford the taxes and these people getting compensated like this. This is before health care and pension contributions, then its even more. Maybe I am wrong, but this just isn't right. How can anyone defend this?

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doubleringer54

May-02-14 5:10 PM

(con't.) which is no more abrasive than conventional oil. The native people are afraid contamination will "destroy their fishing economy." What native american fishing economy exists on the Great Plains? Seriously. The writer "consumed a few gallons of gas" to get to DC. Really? As for the rise in gas prices, anyone with half a brain knows that prices are based on many inputs. Further, this is heavy oil and the Texas refineries are built for heavy oil. Short term, the byproducts stay in the US, then they get exported. The writer's claims on jobs are just more LOWV BS, as is the whole article. If this person truly is a teacher, I am thankful she's not teaching my kids.

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doubleringer54

May-02-14 5:03 PM

Does anyone mind if I get back on topic? The writer uses the same anti-fracking strategy in her commentary, which is misconceptions, deceptions, half truths and plain old falsehoods. These folks are not interested in a debate, only in forcing their beliefs on the rest of us. Bear with me, please- install a pipeline across a "huge chunk" of the American West. Most of the pipeline already exists. The XL portion covers 1700 linear miles, hardly a huge chunk. ...oppose the "likely" pollution of "western aquifers." The aquifer in question is the Ogallala, just this one. The XL route goes around this aquifer. Also, the geology of the land takes any spill away from this aquifer. "in truth, the chemicals used to extract oil sands will probably pollute the water supply" What? How are these chemicals arriving in the US from Canada? Sneaking across the border? "the oil itself is abrasive" The oil in the pipeline is a diluted bitumen,

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tjefson

May-02-14 4:47 PM

I will give you the truth. The public education system has evolved into a test lab for the liberal agenda. Think about it, the teachers hired in the public school system are liberals. Any conservative teacher finds themelves in a Charter School or Parochial School. This is very scarry. The education is indoctrinating the children while their minds are pliable to liberal thought. This thought promotes a large government that will provide for all your wants and needs. This Teachers Union is very willing to olbige to reach the goal. Very Sad.

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Truthteller

May-02-14 4:38 PM

As for USMCVET--I wouldn't mess with him as it seems he's sent men like you to rock painting. Probably did his time in some godforsaken place like Paris Island.

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