The only fair way to deal with school districts is all districts should receive the same per student.
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Christopher, I agree that unfunded mandates are not doing a single thing to help any education system. A steak will not get any better when you work the cow harder with no change in the way you feed it.
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First off, relative to the arguments about teacher salaries, it's not about what they're worth, it's about what people can afford to pay them. That subject never seems to get discussed at all. It's a discussion without the need for personalized attacks. next, and most important to this poll, no cuts from NYS to local schools is fair without corresponding cuts to unfunded state mandates, dollar for dollar.
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Now one thing i agree with the libs on is that the govt did invent something. its called the public schools ! It is the best thing the govt did. it works ! it makes for stupid people. they wont give up this choice item in making ignorant folks. All due to Paul christophers public employee unions.here is where they kicked the women out of history. women tradionally ran the old fashioned schools. The gals missed this as they miss almost everything, except going pink.
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State monies given to the schools. Where does it go? Sports? Administrator pay raises? Free lunches? Western New York is nothing to Albany. A declining population. No manufacturing jobs to speak of. So why should Cuomo throw money at the schools in Western New York? As a politician whose main objective is getting re elected Cuomo goes to those areas that have the most voters. Who contribute to his campaign fund. How much is he going to get from around here. He knows the demographics. And will not waste money on areas with no return. Sure he will throw us a bone once and awhile but people that's it. Words are cheap and promises are made to be broken. Just look at Obama. So don't look for any help of any meaning from Albany.
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There is NO DEBATE about the declining enrollment of students in schools in WNY. For the last 30 years, your parents, neighbors, friends, etc. have all told their kids to GTFO of NY, and by and large, they have done so. There are no excuses, no analogies, no comparisons that can make NY a winnable argument when it boils down to "where to make a decent living" outside of government jobs. Once that happens, the result is inevitable: leave NY if you want a career worth living and a life savings worth building. Andrew Cuomo is only going to make your life harder, and not feel one iota bad about doing so, period. WNY exists only to help him get voted back not office in Albany again (hello, $150 Million paltry dollars?), and outside of that, your voice is meaningless. WNY is a growing wasteland. One that you/we have encouraged our kids to desert, for VERY good reason.
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It appears to me from the commenters on this and similar issues is that the only people willing to continue carrying this albatross hanging around the taxpayers neck are the direct beneficiaries of the status quo. The state is out of money and I am already taxed enough by the state. But for some odd reason a teachers pension is not considered income in New York state. For starters, this law needs to be changed. Someone collecting 50, 60, or 70 grand and paying no income tax. How is this possibly justified. The local communities and county has no money and last I looked nationally we are approaching an 18 trillion dollar debt. I am not an Einstein, but it seems the public sector has a spending problem.
bob: We should stick to the point instead of aggrandizing teachers. As I've said before, the point is NOT what teachers believe they're worth, it's the out of control costs for public ED and whether we "experts" believe we can afford such costs, based on our relatively low-paying private sector wages. Excessive school taxes isn't the only reason why people & businesses have left the area, but it sure is a factor.
Regardless of WHY enrollments have steadily declined, WHY our population has shrunk, and WHY employers have closed; the point is: IT'S HAPPENED!
Unfortunately for new teachers, when school costs get out of control, it's been proven time & again that senior teachers won't hesitate to sacrifice junior members rather than accept equitable concessions to offset such rising costs and/or save jobs. This certainly isn't my definition of how a union SHOULD function. Can anyone explain how this accepted practice helps students?
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Bob, your assumption that the people running the school districts act in a professional manner is incorrect. Cases in point: look at every large expansion project that has happened in Chautauqua County in the last 15 years. Fredonia is a prime example. Went from well over 2000 kids in 2000 to less than 1600 in 2010/2011. To say they never saw it coming is not only ignorant, but shows their lack of knowledge about finance, and lack of care for taxpayers, not to mention poor choice in contractors (pool room wall collapse, pool leaking 80,000 gallons). If these people are knowledgeable, I don't want to see a dumb one. You could say they are scheming though...
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Captain, those lower-taxed states have districts that are the size of the entire county, with one supervisor, not 20. And, since those states are growing, they actually need to build more schools to fit the growing enrollment.
Ahh, since everyone went to school EVERYONE is an expert. I am sure the public knows more about education than professional educators. Educators have studied learning, brain growth, models of learning and teaching, organizational structure, how children behave and grow, administrative styles, teaching styles and public school finance. But they are not experts are they. It is you who is the expert, the person sitting in front of the pc monitor. That is not to say that the public should not have full input. but please some of these comments tell a tale of less than expertise.
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public schools down south and out west are called county schools. each school in each municipality does have it's own name.
Enrollments have been dropping for years. NYSUT members haven't yet agreed to meaningful cost-saving measures. Most local BOEs are basically worthless when it comes to controlling costs b/c if by chance they decide to say no to pay raises, PERB traditionally overrules any such decisions. Finally, after several merge votes failed, it's clear most local residents oppose school mergers unless there's no other choice.
Due to the above factors, NYSDE has concluded the only way to get small districts to merge is to reduce state aid. Is it fair? Fairness is not part of the objective. State lawmakers passed the 2% cap law, then the state follows with reductions in aid. Like it or not, opposing local school mergers is a no-win fight.
For what it's worth, lower-taxed states are experiencing growth and building schools, not merging them. Go figure.
Poll question should be "Are local school districts dealing fairly with taxpayers" answer is as plain as the nose on Geppetto best know creation
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